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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 28, 2018 at 11:36 pm
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My kids came home, today, with a note from the Health Dept. Turns out that whooping cough is a thing round here...their school has it. Cant send em back with a cough without a doctors note.
Mine are vaccinated...but have bronchitis.
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 28, 2018 at 11:38 pm
(March 28, 2018 at 9:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I've never had the fly shot. My husband is required to get it every year though. He got sick only one time after.
FLU, lol.
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 28, 2018 at 11:45 pm
(March 28, 2018 at 10:09 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I don't deny that most of the vaccines we have to take are effective and largely risk-free. I don't even deny that for many, the flu vaccines actually do help. That said, due to numerous factors, including the rapid rates of mutation that require a new vaccine every year, occasional defects in manufacture, and immune irregularities in some people, it isn't all that effective. With the wildly variable effectiveness rates demonstrated in the article, even if the whole population took it, herd immunity might not actually take hold. Admittedly, the effects of getting it and it backfiring aren't really worse than not getting it at all, but to me it's a case of the benefits of doing so not really outweighing the benefits of not doing so.
Er?
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 28, 2018 at 11:47 pm
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The only risk to flu vaccination swirls around people who are allergic to eggs, lol.and if you're allergic to eggs....ofc the flu is going to kill you. It's worse than eggs.
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 28, 2018 at 11:56 pm
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(March 28, 2018 at 11:45 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 28, 2018 at 10:09 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I don't deny that most of the vaccines we have to take are effective and largely risk-free. I don't even deny that for many, the flu vaccines actually do help. That said, due to numerous factors, including the rapid rates of mutation that require a new vaccine every year, occasional defects in manufacture, and immune irregularities in some people, it isn't all that effective. With the wildly variable effectiveness rates demonstrated in the article, even if the whole population took it, herd immunity might not actually take hold. Admittedly, the effects of getting it and it backfiring aren't really worse than not getting it at all, but to me it's a case of the benefits of doing so not really outweighing the benefits of not doing so.
Er?
What? If you're curious about the benefits of taking the vaccine and not taking it, I mentioned in my first post that every time I get the vaccine, I end up getting the full disease anyway. If I don't, well, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. This year, for example, according to the CDC, it was apparently a pretty bad year and yet I didn't get the flu, despite not taking the jab. Like I said, that's just me.
If it's about herd immunity not working, remember, the stats in the article say it works about 70% of the time at best (and one recent flu season was just over 20%), which, from my understanding of herd immunity, is less than optimal.
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 29, 2018 at 12:00 am
(March 28, 2018 at 11:56 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (March 28, 2018 at 11:45 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Er?
What? If you're curious about the benefits of taking the vaccine and not taking it, I mentioned in my first post that every time I get the vaccine, I end up getting the full disease anyway. If I don't, well, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. This year, for example, according to the CDC, it was apparently a pretty bad year and yet I didn't get the flu. Like I said, that's just me.
If it's about herd immunity not working, remember, the stats in the article say it works about 70% of the time at best (and one recent flu season was just over 20%), which, from my understanding of herd immunity, is less than optimal. Are you saying that the vaccine gave you the flu? If not, then you disagree with OP and agree with me! Which is it?
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 29, 2018 at 12:02 am
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(March 29, 2018 at 12:00 am)chimp3 Wrote: Are you saying that the vaccine gave you the flu?
That is my hypothesis, yes. It may be because of irregularities with my immune system, it could be bad luck, but the coorelation is strong in my case.
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 29, 2018 at 12:13 am
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Na.....lol. Take your shots. Flu shots, cmon man....you can get them at the grocery store. Try anthrax vaccs.......
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 29, 2018 at 12:16 am
(March 29, 2018 at 12:02 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: (March 29, 2018 at 12:00 am)chimp3 Wrote: Are you saying that the vaccine gave you the flu?
That is my hypothesis, yes. It may be because of irregularities with my immune system, it could be bad luck, but the coorelation is strong in my case.
Can you consider your case a correlation? By what standard do you establish bad luck?
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RE: I still think getting a flu shot is directly linked to getting the flu
March 29, 2018 at 12:20 am
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(March 29, 2018 at 12:16 am)chimp3 Wrote: (March 29, 2018 at 12:02 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: That is my hypothesis, yes. It may be because of irregularities with my immune system, it could be bad luck, but the coorelation is strong in my case.
Can you consider your case a correlation? By what standard do you establish bad luck?
When I get the disease every year I get the vaccine, but don't get it every year I don't get the vaccine, I would consider that a significant correlation. And I would consider getting a vaccine from a batch where the deactivation process fails to properly work (one reason it might not work) bad luck, especially if it happens EVERY TIME (and from multiple doctors)
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