SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves

[GrandizerII]

Wow.  So you’re completely disregarding the physical suffering, and likely permanent psychological, and emotional trauma of an adult human woman? She should be forced to carry and deliver her rapist’s offspring after what she’s been through?  Her control over her own body was robbed from her while being raped, and you think she should suffer further by being robbed of bodily control for another nine months? That would be like being raped over and over for nine months.  I don’t think you actually know what it means to be human.

No, I do t think that at all... remember how we talked about not trying to speak for me.

Edit to add:  One might think that using rape in such a rhetorical way, and in comparing pregnancy to being raped, that it is you who minimize and don’t respect the issue!

You have no business demanding what other people do with their own bodies. Neither does anyone else, especially men. So let me just comment on your signature just to point out how you took that quote out of context (because that's what you apologists tend to do best with nonbelievers).

Here's what Vilenkin said a couple of paragraphs later:

Theologians have often welcomed any evidence for the beginning of the universe, regarding it as evidence for the existence of God… So what do we make of a proof that the beginning is unavoidable? Is it a proof of the existence of God? This view would be far too simplistic. Anyone who attempts to understand the origin of the universe should be prepared to address its logical paradoxes. In this regard, the theorem that I proved with my colleagues does not give much of an advantage to the theologian over the scientist. As evidenced by Jinasena’s remarks earlier in this chapter, religion is not immune to the paradoxes of Creation.

Nevertheless, multiple scientists disagree with him, and there's no consensus among cosmologists regarding whether the universe had a beginning or not. Vilenkin has his selection (and interpretation) of models to draw conclusions from, and so do other physicists and cosmologists. Which is why, ultimately, to end the debate, scientific evidence is required.

[RoadRunner79]

[quote='LadyForCamus' pid='1732998' dateline='1523243533']

Wow.  So you’re completely disregarding the physical suffering, and likely permanent psychological, and emotional trauma of an adult human woman? She should be forced to carry and deliver her rapist’s offspring after what she’s been through?  Her control over her own body was robbed from her while being raped, and you think she should suffer further by being robbed of bodily control for another nine months? That would be like being raped over and over for nine months.  I don’t think you actually know what it means to be human.

No, I don’t think that at all.

I didn’t ask you what you thought, did I? You offered up what you thought in a previous post; that women should not have the option to terminate a pregnancy on the grounds of rape, and I’m educating you on what that means for the rape victim. I’m sorry you don’t like the ugly reality of your position, but that’s exactly what it is.  Maybe you should think on that for a bit before you respond again.

Edit to add:  One might think that using rape in such a rhetorical way, and in comparing pregnancy to being raped, that it is you who minimize and don’t respect the issue!

And I think that you shouldn’t be talking about women’s sexual and reproductive issues when it’s clear you have neither the understanding, nor the empathy required to do so. Do you know that a rape victim can have her PTSD triggered during the labor and delivery of even a wanted pregnancy? You really don’t see how forcing a woman’s body to physically accommodate her rapist’s offspring is like forcing her to relive her trauma over and over? You’re a man. You don’t even know what the physical experience of pregnancy feels like for a woman. I’ll explain it to you, because I’ve done it. Twice.

You are being stretched from the inside out; a force that feels beyond what your body is capable of sustaining; pain, pressure, and sometimes agony. Your pelvis, cervix, and vaginal canal are bore down upon. There are times when you can’t even breathe, or control your bodily functions. And, you have absolutely no control over what’s going on inside of you. I think you should do a bit of reading and a bit of thinking, and I'm not talking about your damn Bible.

Go back and read what I have actually said. As usual what you are attempting to make up about me is false. I do not flippantly or without sympathy approach the subject.

While surely you will make up something else, I’m done trying to have a conversation until you can do so with intellectual honesty, and without the sophism.

[LadyForCamus]

I didn’t ask you what you thought, did I? You offered up what you thought in a previous post; that women should not have the option to terminate a pregnancy on the grounds of rape, and I’m educating you on what that means for the rape victim. I’m sorry you don’t like the ugly reality of your position, but that’s exactly what it is.  Maybe you should think on that for a bit before you respond again.


And I think that you shouldn’t be talking about women’s sexual and reproductive issues when it’s clear you have neither the understanding, nor the empathy required to do so. Do you know that a rape victim can have her PTSD triggered during the labor and delivery of even a wanted pregnancy? You really don’t see how forcing a woman’s body to physically accommodate her rapist’s offspring is like forcing her to relive her trauma over and over? You’re a man. You don’t even know what the physical experience of pregnancy feels like for a woman. I’ll explain it to you, because I’ve done it. Twice.

You are being stretched from the inside out; a force that feels beyond what your body is capable of sustaining; pain, pressure, and sometimes agony.  Your pelvis, cervix, and vaginal canal are bore down upon. There are times when you can’t even breathe, or control your bodily functions.  And, you have absolutely no control over what’s going on inside of you. I think you should do a bit of reading and a bit of thinking, and I'm not talking about your damn Bible.

Go back and read what I have actually said. As usual what you are attempting to make up about me is false.  I do not flippantly or without sympathy approach the subject.

While surely you will make up something else, I’m done trying to have a conversation until you can do so with intellectual honesty, and without the sophism.

You said, and I quote:

And no, I do not agree, that rape gives a person a right to an abortion.   While it certainly makes it more emotional and I'm more sympathetic, I don't see rape as a reason to kill an innocent human being.

That position requires you disregard the harmful effects it has on the woman who is raped. What I have said to you in response follows from that.  And, anyone with basic reading comprehension skills will be able to notice as much.  It’s not my fault that your foot is perpetually taking up residence in your mouth.

[Amarok]

And no, I do not agree, that rape gives a person a right to an abortion.   While it certainly makes it more emotional and I'm more sympathetic, I don't see rape as a reason to kill an innocent human being.

Then you are a monster. Because you would force a women to go through the trauma and humiliation of having to carry a constant reminder of their rape .

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Go back and read what I have actually said. As usual what you are attempting to make up about me is false.  I do not flippantly or without sympathy approach the subject. 

Your statement damn you  we don't need to add anything .

[The Grand Nudger]

So, you’re in the camp of, ‘since women have the uteruses, they should really only be having sex for the purposes of procreation’?

No, I'm in the camp of, people know that sex leads to pregnancy, so if they're having sex just for fun, they should be really careful, and prepared to accept the potential consequences.

The consequence of sex is an orgasm.  Your need to punish people for having sex, with children..of all things... is your own hangup.

[John V]

No, I'm in the camp of, people know that sex leads to pregnancy, so if they're having sex just for fun, they should be really careful, and prepared to accept the potential consequences.

People should, but sometimes they aren’t, are they?  You certainly weren’t, were you?  So, how can you put an expectation on to others; a standard of perfection so unrealistic that you couldn’t meet it yourself?  Did you not know at the time that sex can result in pregnancy?

What am I missing here? You put that same expectation on others - the only difference is in timing. Take the rationale you use for your position at 20 weeks and simply move it forward.

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Anal sex doesn't lead to pregnancy, mutual masturbation, oral sex, fucking armpit sex.

Cocks and condoms are pretty safe too.

Yes, I've noted contraception myself. LFC has a problem because there's not a 100% guarantee, although there rarely is in life.

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My point is that simply preaching to women to keep their legs closed unless they’re fully prepared to have a baby doesn’t stop people from having sex, and it doesn’t decrease unwanted pregnancies.

If I were preaching abstinence that would be a point of discussion, but I'm not. I've said sex for pleasure and contraception are OK. You're ignoring my words and basically arguing against someone else.

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Pro-lifers like Alpha and Road like to talk about refraining from sex 

Now you're just a fucking liar.

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Go back and read what I have actually said. As usual what you are attempting to make up about me is false.

That's her whole shtick.

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The consequence of sex is an orgasm.  Your need to punish people for having sex, with children..of all things... is your own hangup.

Your view of children as a punishment is your (and others') hangup.

[Amarok]

Yup Khem pregnancy is a punishment for those uppity sluts  . You know enjoying sex and accidentally getting pregnant. Same for everyone  who gets an STD i would imagine . And of course getting medical procedure to deal with the medical condition of pregnancy  is so not taking responsibility for yourself 

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, my view..lol...because I'm advocating that we turn them into punishment for sluts.  I feel like you're just phoning shit in at this point.

[John V]

Yeah, my view..lol...because I'm advocating that we turn them into punishment for sluts.  I feel like you're just phoning shit in at this point.

It's all cool - if you think children are a punishment that's your business.

[Amarok]

No Khem he's not phoning it in .He's using a messenger pigeon .