Dumb As A Bag of Hair

[Minimalist]

God did his best to make everything perfect, but the problem is free-will.

Bullshit.  Why was your fucking god surprised when things didn't work out.  Did your allegedly omniscient god not know what was coming?  That's not very godlike, is it?

"Free Will" is the religitard get-out-of-jail-free-card, except it makes their god look like a fucking moron.

Remember what Celsus said in the second century AD.

"God does not inflict correction on the world as if he were some unskilled laborer who is incapable of building something properly the first time around; God has no need to purify what he has built by means of a flood or a conflagration (as they teach)."

How come the pagan had a more perfect idea of god than the religitards?

[WinterHold]

Why couldn't "god" get it right, MK?

God did his best to make everything perfect, but the problem is free-will. As much as God is absolutely beautiful, and his call and power is absolutely beautiful and to be relied on as it is the truest form of love, creation diverted and neglected. God pardons of course and keeps trying to make the best out of the situation.

God has failed to guide us not because he didn't show the way, it's because the tautology that there is no force in the religion.  He can create an illusion of love,  but love to him has to be by our own accord and there is no way to him but through accepting Him and submitting to his power and love and let him and his name drive us to the destination we are meant for.

Unfortunately, God can't do the impossible. If he could do the impossible, we would all be gods, and at his level, he is that generous. If he can beget a son, we all would be his sons.  The trial is of course much difficult. 

He began things with a call, and we all heard of what we wanted and responded to various degrees, some slowly, some fast, some very reluctantly, but the chosen ones were very fast in responding and hearing, and the best of the chosen ones were in their own realms responding to God in the best way.

When he gave everything it's form and creation after, and made the system, he did so knowing how everything responded to his call before.

God is probably the most frustrated gambler,  we are like lotto tickets in which he wished to make the big abundant good through it, and love to see us prosper, but he get's negative values, rebels, but he keeps trying to reform us and forgive us,  and call us back to the path of prosperity.

We can't escape reality, reality forms us and makes us who we are, it's gives us our creation.


He made good and beautiful everything he created.   I can't imagine the sadness of God and his grief over us taking all this as a mockery and making light of life and the fallen world and neglecting his books and mocking the sacred link and path and signs and proofs.

You picture God as a very weak being; don't you think?
Quite pathetic TBH.

A pedo slaver who doesn't know what people are going to do. What a God you believe in.

[GUBU]

Why couldn't "god" get it right, MK?

God did his best to make everything perfect, but the problem is free-will. As much as God is absolutely beautiful, and his call and power is absolutely beautiful and to be relied on as it is the truest form of love, creation diverted and neglected. God pardons of course and keeps trying to make the best out of the situation.

God has failed to guide us not because he didn't show the way, it's because the tautology that there is no force in the religion.  He can create an illusion of love,  but love to him has to be by our own accord and there is no way to him but through accepting Him and submitting to his power and love and let him and his name drive us to the destination we are meant for.

Unfortunately, God can't do the impossible. If he could do the impossible, we would all be gods, and at his level, he is that generous. If he can beget a son, we all would be his sons.  The trial is of course much difficult. 

He began things with a call, and we all heard of what we wanted and responded to various degrees, some slowly, some fast, some very reluctantly, but the chosen ones were very fast in responding and hearing, and the best of the chosen ones were in their own realms responding to God in the best way.

When he gave everything it's form and creation after, and made the system, he did so knowing how everything responded to his call before.

God is probably the most frustrated gambler,  we are like lotto tickets in which he wished to make the big abundant good through it, and love to see us prosper, but he get's negative values, rebels, but he keeps trying to reform us and forgive us,  and call us back to the path of prosperity.

We can't escape reality, reality forms us and makes us who we are, it's gives us our creation.


He made good and beautiful everything he created.   I can't imagine the sadness of God and his grief over us taking all this as a mockery and making light of life and the fallen world and neglecting his books and mocking the sacred link and path and signs and proofs.

So, basicly your god is powerless and impotent. Tell me again, why is it worth wasting my limited time worshipping him? My balls need lots of scratching you know.

[Mystic]

God did his best to make everything perfect, but the problem is free-will. As much as God is absolutely beautiful, and his call and power is absolutely beautiful and to be relied on as it is the truest form of love, creation diverted and neglected. God pardons of course and keeps trying to make the best out of the situation.

God has failed to guide us not because he didn't show the way, it's because the tautology that there is no force in the religion.  He can create an illusion of love,  but love to him has to be by our own accord and there is no way to him but through accepting Him and submitting to his power and love and let him and his name drive us to the destination we are meant for.

Unfortunately, God can't do the impossible. If he could do the impossible, we would all be gods, and at his level, he is that generous. If he can beget a son, we all would be his sons.  The trial is of course much difficult. 

He began things with a call, and we all heard of what we wanted and responded to various degrees, some slowly, some fast, some very reluctantly, but the chosen ones were very fast in responding and hearing, and the best of the chosen ones were in their own realms responding to God in the best way.

When he gave everything it's form and creation after, and made the system, he did so knowing how everything responded to his call before.

God is probably the most frustrated gambler,  we are like lotto tickets in which he wished to make the big abundant good through it, and love to see us prosper, but he get's negative values, rebels, but he keeps trying to reform us and forgive us,  and call us back to the path of prosperity.

We can't escape reality, reality forms us and makes us who we are, it's gives us our creation.


He made good and beautiful everything he created.   I can't imagine the sadness of God and his grief over us taking all this as a mockery and making light of life and the fallen world and neglecting his books and mocking the sacred link and path and signs and proofs.

You picture God as a very weak being; don't you think?
Quite pathetic TBH.

A pedo slaver who doesn't know what people are going to do. What a God you believe in.

Was God then deceiving Adam with insincere advice for him when he said:

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ أَبَىٰ {116}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:116] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam, they made obeisance, but Iblis (did it not); he refused.[/size][/size]
فَقُلْنَا يَا آدَمُ إِنَّ هَٰذَا عَدُوٌّ لَكَ وَلِزَوْجِكَ فَلَا يُخْرِجَنَّكُمَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَتَشْقَىٰ {117}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:117] So We said: O Adam! This is an enemy to you and to your wife; therefore let him not drive you both forth from the garden so that you should be unhappy;[/size][/size]
إِنَّ لَكَ أَلَّا تَجُوعَ فِيهَا وَلَا تَعْرَىٰ {118}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:118] Surely it is (ordained) for you that you shall not be hungry therein nor bare of clothing;[/size][/size]
وَأَنَّكَ لَا تَظْمَأُ فِيهَا وَلَا تَضْحَىٰ {119}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:119] And that you shall not be thirsty therein nor shall you feel the heat of the sun.[/size][/size]
فَوَسْوَسَ إِلَيْهِ الشَّيْطَانُ قَالَ يَا آدَمُ هَلْ أَدُلُّكَ عَلَىٰ شَجَرَةِ الْخُلْدِ وَمُلْكٍ لَا يَبْلَىٰ {120}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:120] But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to him; he said: O Adam! Shall I guide you to the tree of immortality and a kingdom which decays not?[/size][/size]

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God did his best to make everything perfect, but the problem is free-will.

Bullshit.  Why was your fucking god surprised when things didn't work out.  Did your allegedly omniscient god not know what was coming?  That's not very godlike, is it?

"Free Will" is the religitard get-out-of-jail-free-card, except it makes their god look like a fucking moron.

Remember what Celsus said in the second century AD.

"God does not inflict correction on the world as if he were some unskilled laborer who is incapable of building something properly the first time around; God has no need to purify what he has built by means of a flood or a conflagration (as they teach)."

How come the pagan had a more perfect idea of god than the religitards?

I don't think any of the Angels or the exalted ones who Adam wished to be with and one of when he was deceived by Iblis, thought Adam would disobey, and I think God did so knowing he probably would not. So while God always knew it was possible and has a back up plan, it's not the original plan.

[Minimalist]

"Angels" and "exalted ones" huh?  Oh brother.  What a load of shit.

[Succubus]

"Angels" and "exalted ones" huh?  Oh brother.  What a load of shit.

Silly person! What part of this...


وَأَنَّكَ لَا تَظْمَأُ فِيهَا وَلَا تَضْحَىٰ


Does your feeble mind not comprehend!

[Minimalist]

Keep your damn chicken off my papers!

[Edwardo Piet]

God would first create a perfect world, and only if creation begin to screw things up, would the world fall out of place.

It would all be God's fault when the world falls out of place though. He is 100% responsible for everything, if he exists, he's God.

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There is no 'if' . . . we can't have free will.

More than that... God can't even have free will

[WinterHold]

You picture God as a very weak being; don't you think?
Quite pathetic TBH.

A pedo slaver who doesn't know what people are going to do. What a God you believe in.

Was God then deceiving Adam with insincere advice for him when he said:

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ أَبَىٰ {116}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:116] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam, they made obeisance, but Iblis (did it not); he refused.[/size][/size]
فَقُلْنَا يَا آدَمُ إِنَّ هَٰذَا عَدُوٌّ لَكَ وَلِزَوْجِكَ فَلَا يُخْرِجَنَّكُمَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَتَشْقَىٰ {117}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:117] So We said: O Adam! This is an enemy to you and to your wife; therefore let him not drive you both forth from the garden so that you should be unhappy;[/size][/size]
إِنَّ لَكَ أَلَّا تَجُوعَ فِيهَا وَلَا تَعْرَىٰ {118}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:118] Surely it is (ordained) for you that you shall not be hungry therein nor bare of clothing;[/size][/size]
وَأَنَّكَ لَا تَظْمَأُ فِيهَا وَلَا تَضْحَىٰ {119}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:119] And that you shall not be thirsty therein nor shall you feel the heat of the sun.[/size][/size]
فَوَسْوَسَ إِلَيْهِ الشَّيْطَانُ قَالَ يَا آدَمُ هَلْ أَدُلُّكَ عَلَىٰ شَجَرَةِ الْخُلْدِ وَمُلْكٍ لَا يَبْلَىٰ {120}
[size=undefined][size=undefined][Shakir 20:120] But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to him; he said: O Adam! Shall I guide you to the tree of immortality and a kingdom which decays not?[/size][/size]

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No; MK. God -judging by reading other verses in the Quran-God has control over everything, knows everything before even creating it.
I won't say he "failed"; never. That is my point: he created Adam, Eve & Satan with previous knowledge that we will fight.
Look at this verse, telling what happened before the creation of Adam & Eve:

Sura 2, The Quran:
( 30 )   And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

He knew all along, and willed it too. He created Adam, created Satan, created the tree, created the fruit, made the scenario possible. That's why Satan felt betrayed:

Sura 7, The Quran:
( 12 )   [Allah] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
( 13 )   [Allah] said, "Descend from Paradise, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased.
( 14 )   [Satan] said, "Reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
( 15 )   [Allah] said, "Indeed, you are of those reprieved."
( 16 )   [Satan] said, "Because You seduced me, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.
( 17 )   Then I will come to them from before them and from behind them and on their right and on their left, and You will not find most of them grateful [to You]."

Satan was seduced.
God knew all along. He is in control all along.

My point is what God said about himself in another verse:

Sura 7, The Quran:
( 54 )   Indeed, your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars, subjected by His command. Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, Lord of the worlds.

The command is to him; destiny and fate too. So everything is under his knowledge and control, we act in the context of his knowledge. That's because he is a creator; he is not a man. He is a God.

[Mystic]

Atlas, God knows everything possible to know, the future is not known before it happens, some of it's over all structure is, not all of it.  I found verses that explicitly say God doesn't know who will be patient or enter heaven until God tries them and knows...do you recall them or should I quote them?