The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts

[The Grand Nudger]

Because it didn't.  It regulated it, at best. Magic book says what magic books says regardless of whether a person believes or not. Being generous, it's the "Grass on field, play ball" theory of sexual maturity and informed consent, which allows for a person to purchase and own a child in advance of their usefulness..whatever that may be to any given pedo.

Why anyone thinks that this is particularly praiseworthy is beyond me. Personally, I don;t see the point in asserting this bundle of slimy rules if there's going to be one great big caveat to them all. If you can't or don't want to abide by them..just go buy a girl. Totally kosher.

[Mystic]

Is the concept of prime strength to face life, mental maturity to be responsible over how an orphan can spend his own wealth given by the state, and mental guidance with respect to facing life, all ambiguous subjective concepts? Those have been equated with age of when marriage is allowed.

Sure the age can change and vary person to person, that is why Quran doesn't specify an age, and among the reasons as well is that it changes in different circumstances and the type of factors in life and situation.

And Moses was said to be given wisdom AFTER he reached maturity.

I would say while subjective it's also very objective in the given circumstance or time. The Quran put's in perspective with orphans. When is a orphan ready to face the world and be left to themselves and spend their money as they see fit?

[The Grand Nudger]

You're only telling me that, in your opinion..child brides and sex slaves are a feature...not a bug.

[Angrboda]

Is the concept of prime strength to face life, mental maturity to be responsible over how an orphan can spend his own wealth given by the state, and mental guidance with respect to facing life, all ambiguous subjective concepts? Those have been equated with age of when marriage is allowed.

Sure the age can change and vary person to person, that is why Quran doesn't specify an age, and among the reasons as well is that it changes in different circumstances and the type of factors in life and situation.

Using that as a standard is just laying the groundwork for men to abuse it, and ultimately, abuse girls who aren't really mature enough to be consenting.

The Quran is just opening the floodgates to a lot of officially sanctioned evil with such loose and subjective standards.

[yragnitup]

Here is another great scholar of Islam, Al-Jalalayn explaining Quran verse 65:4 regarding divorce without ambiguity. Its the same as tafsir Ibn Abbas, the cousin of prophet Muhammad;

And as for those of your women who read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances no longer expect to menstruate if you have any doubts about their waiting period their prescribed waiting period shall be three months and also for those who have not yet menstruated because of their young age their period shall also be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these latter their period is prescribed in the verse they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten days Q. 2234. And those who are pregnant their term the conclusion of their prescribed waiting period if divorced or if their spouses be dead shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God He will make matters ease for him in this world and in the Hereafter. * تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Quran 65 4)

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...nguageId=2

[robvalue]

Okay, so now I have to find the true creator, which presumably means being a Muslim?

Do you think it's reasonable and fair Atlas, for me to be sent to hell for (a) not coming to that conclusion or (b) not wanting to be a Muslim even if Allah exists?

This question is open to people from other religions too. I'm not interested in joining any religion, or worshiping anything, regardless of whether any of their claims are true.

Do I therefor deserve to receive a lesser afterlife (possibly involving torture)?

Do I deserve it for coming to the "wrong" conclusion based in my assessment of the evidence?

[WinterHold]

Okay, so now I have to find the true creator, which presumably means being a Muslim?

Do you think it's reasonable and fair Atlas, for me to be sent to hell for (a) not coming to that conclusion or (b) not wanting to be a Muslim even if Allah exists?

If a man judged, then he has no right to do something horrible to you like what we hear about hell. God is not a man. Nothing is like him, but the closest I can describe what I understood about him from my reading is that he is closer to the concept of Gaia or the spirits that native Americans used to worship. But he is nothing like them; he can't even be drawn or pictured.

If a person spent the whole day in the sun, I will blame the person when they get sick. If a person fell from a mountain, I will blame them for not taking the proper safety precautions. If a person made a fatal logical misstep crashed into God; I will also blame them.

He is a fact and a truth that has nothing like him; so how can I not blame the sun, but blame God?
The sun burns. That's what it does.
God tortures creations that make logical faults. That's what he does.  Also he has mercy on the creations that believe in him.

It's reasonable for you to take whatever choice in this life, but in the coming day we will stand alone,and be judged alone. Both of us have a meeting with him, and my sheet of sins is filled; I'm sure. All humans are sinful.  All I can do is tell about my belief in the coming day in this life.

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Here is another great scholar of Islam, Al-Jalalayn explaining Quran verse 65:4 regarding divorce without ambiguity. Its the same as tafsir Ibn Abbas, the cousin of prophet Muhammad;

And as for those of your women who read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances no longer expect to menstruate if you have any doubts about their waiting period their prescribed waiting period shall be three months and also for those who have not yet menstruated because of their young age their period shall also be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these latter their period is prescribed in the verse they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten days Q. 2234. And those who are pregnant their term the conclusion of their prescribed waiting period if divorced or if their spouses be dead shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God He will make matters ease for him in this world and in the Hereafter. * تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Quran 65 4)

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...nguageId=2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafsir_al-Jalalayn

Tafsīr al-Jalālayn (Arabic: تفسير الجلالين‎, lit. 'Tafsir of the two Jalals') is a classical Sunni tafsir of the Qur'an, composed first by Jalal ad-Din al-Maḥalli in 1459 and then completed by his student Jalal ad-Din as-Suyuti in 1505, thus its name, which means "Tafsir of the two Jalals".

I told you that this topic is not discussing Sunni Islam; so you can stop spamming.
If you want to discuss Sunni Islam; you can open a new topic.

[robvalue]

Okay, well I would hold God to a higher moral standard than humans, not a lower one.

He tortures people who are illogical. That’s absolutely absurd, just stop and think about that. I want nothing to do with such a sadistic, petty maniac.

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PS: the sun burning someone, or them being killed by jumping off a mountain are non-sentient results of cause and effect. If the sun was intelligent and was burning people just because it wanted to, that would be just as absurd and monstrous.

[WinterHold]

Okay, well I would hold God to a higher moral standard than humans, not a lower one.

He tortures people who are illogical. That’s absolutely absurd, just stop and think about that. I want nothing to do with such a sadistic, petty maniac.

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PS: the sun burning someone, or them being killed by jumping off a mountain are non-sentient results of cause and effect. If the sun was intelligent and was burning people just because it wanted to, that would be just as absurd and monstrous.

God in the Quran is not an Anthropomorphized entity. You can't attribute human traits to him.
That's the difference of Islam from Christianity. God in Islam is not even drawn for the same exact reason: attribution of human traits to him is Anthropomorphism that is not valid at all.

[Angrboda]

He is a fact and a truth that has nothing like him; so how can I not blame the sun, but blame God?
The sun burns. That's what it does.
God tortures creations that make logical faults. That's what he does.  Also he has mercy on the creations that believe in him.