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Creationism and Ignorance
RE: Creationism and Ignorance
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Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 - Proverbs 3:5
Such is blind dogmatic ignorance only fit for slaves
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Creationism and Ignorance
(May 3, 2018 at 12:45 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 - Proverbs 3:5
Such is blind dogmatic ignorance only fit for slaves

IKR?  Old Man Coyote expects me to develop my own understanding by seeking out transcendent experience.  If I couldn't develop my own understanding and contextualize it's numinous form I'd never be able to make medicine.  The lord of creation has no need and no time for mindless head-bobbing dolts.
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I wish KingPin was still here to weigh in.

He is one of those Christians who did not accept evolution, but he is on the contrary, very smart, level headed, and logical.

He said there was scientific evidence behind his conclusion that humans did not evolve, but never got around to fully explaining what it was.

I don't agree with his conclusion, but would have been interested to hear what he had to say on the matter and how he came to it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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(May 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He is one of those Christians who did not accept evolution, but he is on the contrary, very smart, level headed, and logical.

He said there was scientific evidence behind his conclusion that humans did not evolve, but never got around to fully explaining what it was.
The second statement contradicts the first.......and he never got around to it because it doesn't exist.

Mystery solved.
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(May 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wish KingPin was still here to weigh in.

He is one of those Christians who did not accept evolution, but he is on the contrary, very smart, level headed, and logical.

He said there was scientific evidence behind his conclusion that humans did not evolve, but never got around to fully explaining what it was.

I don't agree with his conclusion, but would have been interested to hear what he had to say on the matter and how he came to it.

..And to clarify, I don't mean to insinuate that other theists with this position who have commented here are stupid or dont count. I merely read the OP and and just made that comment bc I remember Kingpin having this position. I'll need to read the thread and see what the others have said.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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(May 3, 2018 at 10:37 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(May 2, 2018 at 11:47 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Surely by now with tens of thousands of Christian schisms, you're not surprised that Rule 34 has a counterpart in the religious world?  IOW, every conceivable belief exists somewhere in Christianity.   Christian Scientists have the balls to call themselves Christians just like scads of the rest of them.  No surprise there.  That Jesus failed to set up a proper and rigorous franchising and/or multi-level marketing plan for His religion is something the True® religious folks of this era are just going to have to live with.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
- Proverbs 3:5

Again, I'm only interested in what the scriptures say, not someones misguided belief of what they think the scriptures imply.

Find me anywhere in the bible where it states one is not to go to a doctor.
Quote:Luke 8
43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,

44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
Why is this Jewish woman seeing doctors if it is forbidden?

(May 2, 2018 at 11:47 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: And, does the following ring a bell?

. . . they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


Believe it or not, it's in the Bible, and there are folks that take it absolutely seriously.   I believe they are called Literalists.  Perhaps you've heard of them ???

That scripture doesn't mean "don't go to a doctor"...

There are conditions that doctors cannot treat, as in the above scripture, therefore "they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

As far as I know, Reverend Pat Robertson is still doing his Word of Knowledge segment on his (or his successors) 700 Club TV Show. He announces healings for all manner of maladies, from impotence to virulent cancer, pneumonia (take THAT Scientologists!), and pulmonary edema, among others.

If one has been healed, by Reverend Pat Robertson or any other (Christian) faith healer extant that one believes in, of what use would a subsequent visit to a doctor be, other than as an affront to ones faith healer, and by extension, Jesus who has granted their healing power?
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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I set a one time record for 700 Club today, if I can stand watching it, I'll check and see if the Word of Knowledge is still being done.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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(May 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wish KingPin was still here to weigh in.

He is one of those Christians who did not accept evolution, but he is on the contrary, very smart, level headed, and logical.

He said there was scientific evidence behind his conclusion that humans did not evolve, but never got around to fully explaining what it was.

I don't agree with his conclusion, but would have been interested to hear what he had to say on the matter and how he came to it.

I use to believe in evolution. I know it's impossible on several grounds now. At least in the naturalism way.
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(May 6, 2018 at 6:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(May 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wish KingPin was still here to weigh in.

He is one of those Christians who did not accept evolution, but he is on the contrary, very smart, level headed, and logical.

He said there was scientific evidence behind his conclusion that humans did not evolve, but never got around to fully explaining what it was.

I don't agree with his conclusion, but would have been interested to hear what he had to say on the matter and how he came to it.

I use to believe in evolution. I know it's impossible on several grounds now. At least in the naturalism way.

Funny how your change of opinion coincided with returning to religion. Imagine that. What a coinkydink.
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(May 6, 2018 at 7:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 6:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I use to believe in evolution. I know it's impossible on several grounds now. At least in the naturalism way.

Funny how your change of opinion coincided with returning to religion.  Imagine that.  What a coinkydink.

Yeah, you become less cowardly and start thinking for yourself and rely on his help, and then the signs all become quite clear.
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