DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Amarok]

No, I do not believe the information in DNA could ever happen naturally.  The molecular machines it builds could also never happen as well.  Not in a trillion trillion trillion,....., years.  

No, I could not imagine that.

Do you suppose that both those things could stem from a shortcoming within your mind?

That would be my explanation

[Abaddon_ire]

I already addressed this and yes your god can and has lied in fiction

No, He didn't.

Your bible god lied right from Genesis onwards. Have you not read your bible?

[Amarok]

No, He didn't.

Your bible god lied right from Genesis onwards. Have you not read your bible?

Oh but that was spiritual death 

[robvalue]

Do you suppose that both those things could stem from a shortcoming within your mind?

That would be my explanation

Yes, that is the pertinent question. This whole thread is a demonstration of this guy's lack of imagination, and declaration of belief. Ironically enough, it's the theist here who needs to open his mind.

This isn't the first conversation I've had with someone who thinks that reality conforms to what they believe or state, rather than it being merely their opinion which may or may not be true.

The problem is when people need things to be true.

[Joods]

He has admitted that his whole premise is mere assumption when he said a non-designed universe is impossible. It's a simple question which generally stumps anyone going on about ID. I think the nearest thing I got to an answer from someone was that a non-designed universe would be "simpler", but no explanation was given as to what exactly that meant, or why it would be the case.

You can't get a universe from nothing, not even a simple universe.  This one is super-symmetrical/fine-tuned and definitely designed by a Creator.

Again, you are close-minded to anything else being offered as a reason for how things got to be as they are. It's okay to say that we really don't know. It's okay to say that science doesn't have all the answers. It's also okay for science to upgrade or improve its answers as time goes on.

Whats not okay is to use some magical sky daddy as an excuse or to insist that everything has a design, when you can't back it up with concrete facts. Just because you've repeated your opinion 300 times doesn't make it true.

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ID is science and does not identify a Creator.  I personally believe the Creator is the Christian God of the Bible.  Allah in the Quran says he is the greatest deceiver.  He is mentioned as a great deceiver many times in the Quran.  The Christian Bible says God is perfectly holy and cannot lie or deceive.  It labels the devil as the author of lies.

According to your Bible, the devil has only killed 10 people, while your god has committed genocide, sent plagues to earth, let people wander for 40 years in the desert, flooded earth because he was unhappy that his people were doing exactly what was in his "plan", etc, etc.
Who's the evil one exactly? Seems the devil is a champion for good while your god runs amok, leaving destruction in his wake.

[CDF47]

No, He didn't.

Your bible god lied right from Genesis onwards. Have you not read your bible?

No, He didn't and yes I read the Bible cover to cover (OT and NT).

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That would be my explanation

Yes, that is the pertinent question. This whole thread is a demonstration of this guy's lack of imagination, and declaration of belief. Ironically enough, it's the theist here who needs to open his mind.

This isn't the first conversation I've had with someone who thinks that reality conforms to what they believe or state, rather than it being merely their opinion which may or may not be true.

The problem is when people need things to be true.

DNA information is designed, that's for sure.

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You can't get a universe from nothing, not even a simple universe.  This one is super-symmetrical/fine-tuned and definitely designed by a Creator.

Again,  you are close-minded to anything else being offered as a reason for how things got to be as they are. It's okay to say that we really don't know. It's okay to say that science doesn't have all the answers. It's also okay for science to upgrade or  improve its answers as time goes on.

Whats not okay is to use some magical sky daddy as an excuse or to insist that everything has a design,  when you can't back it up with concrete facts.  Just because you've repeated your opinion 300 times doesn't make it true.

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ID is science and does not identify a Creator.  I personally believe the Creator is the Christian God of the Bible.  Allah in the Quran says he is the greatest deceiver.  He is mentioned as a great deceiver many times in the Quran.  The Christian Bible says God is perfectly holy and cannot lie or deceive.  It labels the devil as the author of lies.

According to your Bible,  the devil has only killed 10 people,  while your god has committed genocide, sent plagues to earth, let people wander for 40 years in the desert, flooded earth because he was unhappy that his people were doing exactly what was in his "plan", etc, etc.
Who's the evil one exactly? Seems the devil is a champion for good while your god runs amok, leaving destruction in his wake.

Science has had nearly a century to state how man came about.  They still have not found the link between man and monkey.  They have found that DNA goes back to one man and one woman but not much more is known about them.  DNA then proves design with its sophistication and the construction and operation of molecular machines all in this fine-tuned universe which came from nothing.  This has to be the end of atheism.  The proof and evidence is way too strong to grasp onto that last straw of atheism.  Atheism is a dead issue.

[Amarok]

No, He didn't and yes I read the Bible cover to cover (OT and NT)

Yes he did

DNA information is designed, that's for sure.

Opinion ,Bare Assertion ,Lack of imagination ,Argument from personal incredulity ,Nonsequiteur ,etc etc etc

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Science has had nearly a century to state how man came about.  They still have not found the link between man and monkey.  They have found that DNA goes back to one man and one woman but not much more is known about them.  DNA then proves design with its sophistication and the construction and operation of molecular machines all in this fine-tuned universe which came from nothing.  This has to be the end of atheism.  The proof and evidence is way too strong to grasp onto that last straw of atheism.  Atheism is a dead issue.

Creationist distortion ,Lies ,Ignorance ,Fallacies, etc etc etc

[Joods]

Your bible god lied right from Genesis onwards. Have you not read your bible?

No, He didn't and yes I read the Bible cover to cover (OT and NT).

Really? 

One million, three hundred sixty thousand results disagree with you.

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Again,  you are close-minded to anything else being offered as a reason for how things got to be as they are. It's okay to say that we really don't know. It's okay to say that science doesn't have all the answers. It's also okay for science to upgrade or  improve its answers as time goes on.

Whats not okay is to use some magical sky daddy as an excuse or to insist that everything has a design,  when you can't back it up with concrete facts.  Just because you've repeated your opinion 300 times doesn't make it true.

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According to your Bible,  the devil has only killed 10 people,  while your god has committed genocide, sent plagues to earth, let people wander for 40 years in the desert, flooded earth because he was unhappy that his people were doing exactly what was in his "plan", etc, etc.
Who's the evil one exactly? Seems the devil is a champion for good while your god runs amok, leaving destruction in his wake.

Science has had nearly a century to state how man came about.  They still have not found the link between man and monkey.  They have found that DNA goes back to one man and one woman but not much more is known about them.  DNA then proves design with its sophistication and the construction and operation of molecular machines all in this fine-tuned universe which came from nothing.  This has to be the end of atheism.  The proof and evidence is way too strong to grasp onto that last straw of atheism.  Atheism is a dead issue.

You've addressed exactly zero of my points, including what the devil has done, as mentioned in the bible that you seem to find 100% true. Again, you dodge and weave to avoid things that you are uncomfortable with. Countless of pages ago, I asked you if you ate cheeseburgers and pizza, wore mixed fabrics etc and you came up with some interesting excuses to brush away all the unpleasantries of your bible. If you are willing to find excuses for that which you don't like in your "good book", then I have every reason to believe that you are willing to find excuses to make DNA and ID fit your small-minded narrative that you have brought here. And you have done exactly that.

Peddle that shit elsewhere. If you thought that by repeating your vomitious diatribe over and over again to people who are one thousand times smarter than you, was going to work, I have a bridge to sell you.

[Abaddon_ire]

Your bible god lied right from Genesis onwards. Have you not read your bible?

No, He didn't and yes I read the Bible cover to cover (OT and NT).

Then you weren't paying attention very much. Shall we start with the lies in Genesis? Or would you prefer your god's other lies out of sequence?

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Science has had nearly a century to state how man came about.

Lie.

They still have not found the link between man and monkey. 

Lie.

They have found that DNA goes back to one man and one woman but not much more is known about them. 

Lie.

DNA then proves design with its sophistication and the construction and operation of molecular machines all in this fine-tuned universe which came from nothing.

Lie.

This has to be the end of atheism. 

Lie.

The proof and evidence is way too strong to grasp onto that last straw of atheism. 

Lie.

Atheism is a dead issue.

Lie.

Do you know why you lie so easily? Your bible is the instruction manual for it.

[LadyForCamus]

Not engaging in actual discussion.

I am too engaging in discussion.

If you were, you would have at least attempted to answer my inquiry:

I am asking you to provide the mechanism of his state of existence outside of time and space, and then back that up with evidence of this mechanism.

Saying, “he’s immeasurable” is not an answer.  It’s blowing off the question.