DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

Most of Everena's assertions are wild-ass guesses.

And even if true that does not make God scientific or make those scientists right about their personnel beliefs .

It is true. It is 67% of scientists if you count the social scientists and 51% if you don't. The link is posted already. 80% of doctors believe in God and the afterlife. Also posted.

[Ravenshire]

Most of Everena's assertions are wild-ass guesses.

No they are not. They are all based on logic and reason and what would make this a fair and just universe. It is very obvious that higher intelligence created this planet. I have the logic of it combined with all my experiences that have proven that to me beyond any doubt

[KevinM1]

Karma-driven reincarnation may be more morally reprehensible than hell.

I was born with Arthrogryposis Multiplex Congenita. Between 4 months of age and my early 20s, I had 43 surgeries in order to give me what limited physical ability I currently enjoy. Osteotomies, mostly, which fucking hurt. In addition to the surgeries themselves, I've had a fuckton of rehab and physical therapy. For the first half of my life, the cycle was that by the time I felt like myself again, it was time for another surgery, then months of recovery and rehab.

Due to my physical status, I also suffer from chronic pressure sores. Which hurt almost constantly. And have become infected, before. I can say from firsthand experience that MRSA isn't fun.

Because of my physical issues, I need help with all activities of daily living. That means: bathing, cleaning, preparing food, going to the bathroom, etc. Everything an able bodied person can just do without thinking, I need assistance with. Which means I'll never have a wife. I'll never have children. There's a pretty good chance that I'm going to spend the last half of my life (decades) in a nursing home environment, with no privacy, no ownership of anything aside from my wheelchair and some clothes. You can probably imagine what that can do to one's self-esteem and outlook on life.

Now, according to your belief system, my current living hell is, what, divine punishment for something I may have done in some past life? Something I have absolutely no recollection of? How unbelievably cruel the divine grace and wisdom you so smugly defend is. Perhaps it would be different if I had some knowledge of my assumed previous misdeeds (although, it's hard for me to imagine anyone short of an actual tyrant or warlord deserving a life like this), but I have been afflicted since birth. An infant, literally the shape of a human pretzel inside my mother's womb. And all of the trials and tribulations I've been through - the pain, the fear, the social isolation, the sadness - from day 1 is what I deserve because of karma?

And you want us to be convinced by you? To gleefully join you in belief in some deity or master plan that not only does this to one person, but millions around the globe? That this system you imagine is the intentional creation of some wondrous being? Maybe next time I'll be born as some African girl, only to be beaten, raped, and killed by a roving gang. Won't that be a hoot.

[Everena]

Karma-driven reincarnation may be more morally reprehensible than hell.

I was born with Arthrogryposis Multiplex Congenita.  Between 4 months of age and my early 20s, I had 43 surgeries in order to give me what limited physical ability I currently enjoy.  Osteotomies, mostly, which fucking hurt.  In addition to the surgeries themselves, I've had a fuckton of rehab and physical therapy.  For the first half of my life, the cycle was that by the time I felt like myself again, it was time for another surgery, then months of recovery and rehab.

Due to my physical status, I also suffer from chronic pressure sores.  Which hurt almost constantly.  And have become infected, before.  I can say from firsthand experience that MRSA isn't fun.

Because of my physical issues, I need help with all activities of daily living.  That means: bathing, cleaning, preparing food, going to the bathroom, etc.  Everything an able bodied person can just do without thinking, I need assistance with.  Which means I'll never have a wife.  I'll never have children.  There's a pretty good chance that I'm going to spend the last half of my life (decades) in a nursing home environment, with no privacy, no ownership of anything aside from my wheelchair and some clothes.  You can probably imagine what that can do to one's self-esteem and outlook on life.

Now, according to your belief system, my current living hell is, what, divine punishment for something I may have done in some past life?  Something I have absolutely no recollection of?  How unbelievably cruel the divine grace and wisdom you so smugly defend is.  Perhaps it would be different if I had some knowledge of my assumed previous misdeeds (although, it's hard for me to imagine anyone short of an actual tyrant or warlord deserving a life like this), but I have been afflicted since birth.  An infant, literally the shape of a human pretzel inside my mother's womb.  And all of the trials and tribulations I've been through - the pain, the fear, the social isolation, the sadness - from day 1 is what I deserve because of karma?

And you want us to be convinced by you?  To gleefully join you in belief in some deity or master plan that not only does this to one person, but millions around the globe?  That this system you imagine is the intentional creation of some wondrous being?  Maybe next time I'll be born as some African girl, only to be beaten, raped, and killed by a roving gang.  Won't that be a hoot.

I am sorry to hear about all the pain you have suffered through. I have suffered quite a bit myself. Not anything I am willing to share, but abuse combined with some very horrifying suffering from an illness that went on for many, many years of my life. All I can say is, the pain is happening to us, Wouldn't you rather have an explanation for it and knowledge of a better life to come than to just think this all happened to you for no reason and then you die and go nowhere? What God revealed to me is that I am suffering for what I have done over a thousand lifetimes, all in just this one life, because it was the way my soul chose to suffer it. I think you have a revelation coming, and when it comes, the understanding will bring you peace. And you do have a wife. So don't ever think that you don't.

[The Grand Nudger]

What you would rather...and what is...are not the same thing.

[Angrboda]

Strictly true depending, but I think it's an exaggeration to use the word 'most' here if you are suggesting that scientists predominately believe in God.  I will point out, however, that 60% in physics, astronomy, biology and the medical fields do not, per se, believe in God.  If you're trying to mount an ad populum argument here, you seem to have done so rather badly, as most scientists in the fields relevant to this discussion do not in fact believe in God.

Everena: Those scientists are agnostic though, they are not atheists.

Your assertion was that most scientists, including the specific ones identified, believe in God. It really matters little what categories they fall into aside from not believing in God, their apparent preferred category is that they do not believe in God, which rather eviscerates what was essentially a rather stupid ad populum argument to begin with.

[Amarok]

She apparently does not understand the concept of being on ignore . Then again this is the same person who couldn't figure out the quote system so.......

[Bucky Ball]

Everena

The only logical explanation is that we are suffering pain that we have intentionally caused to others in this life or in past lives, in order to learn to become better people and not to hurt anyone anymore.

Past lives .... woo woo. OMG. LMFAO.

After drooling all over about how "logical" she is, Ms. Woomeister actually is saying that infants with cancer are suffering for the pain they intentional caused.
Jesus. This bitch be cray-cray.

[Everena]

Everena

The only logical explanation is that we are suffering pain that we have intentionally caused to others in this life or in past lives, in order to learn to become better people and not to hurt anyone anymore.

Past lives .... woo woo. OMG. LMFAO.

After drooling all over about how "logical" she is, Ms. Woomeister actually is saying that infants with cancer are suffering for the pain they intentional caused.
Jesus. This bitch be cray-cray.

That would be an example of a soul who came to teach lessons of compassion, empathy, and kindness. To help people bring the important things in life into perspective.

[Paleophyte]

And even if true that does not make God scientific or make those scientists right about their personnel beliefs .

It is true. It is 67% of scientists if you count the social scientists and 51% if you don't. The link is posted already. 80% of doctors believe in God and the afterlife. Also posted.

I'll see your 51% and raise you 36 more. 87% of scientists accept that life on Earth is the result of evolution guided solely by natural processes. By your reasoning Creationism must be rejected.