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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 8:27 am
(May 8, 2018 at 8:25 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 8, 2018 at 8:18 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that by your logic, I can say that all atheism is irrational, but I cannot say that specific arguments made by particular atheists is irrational. This seems quite backwards to me! For one, "theism" or "atheism" is a description about one's belief in regards to God. You cannot say that the "ISM" is irrational, but the person is not. It is the person who has the belief, and may be rational or irrational; in the forming of that belief, not the ideology. So I think that you are trying to make a distinction without a difference here. As to where my insult was aimed, it was pointed at specific arguments. As I said in the beginning, I don't give much weight to vague and un-falsifiable claims. If you say, I'm being irrational, show me where; let's look at the claim and see if it is true. If you say I need education, tell me what I need to learn. Just telling me, that I'm stupid or irrational, or even my position is nothing more than name calling. And that is where I have the problem, when there is nothing more to it than that. Nothing constructive, nothing falsifiable, nothing which can be examined.
That paragraph was seriously fucked up.
Care to be more specific?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 8:41 am
I’ve come back to believing in God and the reason I still post here is because I joined here when I was an atheist and have made some e-friends.
I can’t speak for theists but from observations, I think that there is an underlying hope that atheists will at least respect the views of theists and maybe choose faith, at some point. Some theists are very blunt and direct in this approach, others socialize and don’t really debate much about it. But any theist’s hope is that all people discover the joy of a relationship with God. As a believer, I don’t feel shame in that but atheists might want to convince believers that a belief in a god is not necessary for a joyful life. It is all in our perceptions and experiences that lead us to where we are, I think.
It helped me immensely leaving Christianity and identifying as an atheist to really understand this.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 9:09 am
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 9:28 am
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 9:44 am
Just to be clear the only hypocrisy I had in mind was of Neo wanting respect for his worldview while insisting that changing ours was the only respectable reason for xtians as xtians to be here. Everyone is hypocritical about something to some degree at least some of the time. I had felt friendly toward Neo but that comment made it clear that it was not mutual.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 9:53 am
(May 8, 2018 at 7:27 am)Hammy Wrote: By the way... I am probably going to leave this shithole so if you want to contact me do you still have my Skype? Also I have Discord now so I can give you that too, if you like. You're one of my favorite people here but I forgot that you might not have my Skype anymore.
I dont have Skype anymore, thats the thing. And Ive forgotten my Skype login details anyway. But I am considering getting a Facebook account to access BMD's page, so if you want, pm me your Facebook link and once I sign up, Ill add you.
Im considering leaving this forum myself and maybe give TTA a try.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 9:56 am
(May 8, 2018 at 9:53 am)Grandizer Wrote: Im considering leaving this forum myself and maybe give TTA a try.
I don't recommend it.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 9:58 am
(May 8, 2018 at 9:53 am)Grandizer Wrote: (May 8, 2018 at 7:27 am)Hammy Wrote: By the way... I am probably going to leave this shithole so if you want to contact me do you still have my Skype? Also I have Discord now so I can give you that too, if you like. You're one of my favorite people here but I forgot that you might not have my Skype anymore.
I dont have Skype anymore, thats the thing. And Ive forgotten my Skype login details anyway. But I am considering getting a Facebook account to access BMD's page, so if you want, pm me your Facebook link and once I sign up, Ill add you.
Im considering leaving this forum myself and maybe give TTA a try.
I'd be sorry to see you go. Is it because of the talk of a 'pink' sub-forum?
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 10:12 am
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 10:39 am
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(May 8, 2018 at 10:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When I say that it's a double standard that Neo is getting dragged through the mud for making generalizations by people who themselves have made plenty of generalizations, are you....
1. Disagreeing with me and saying there is NO double standard?
OR
2. Admitting that there is a double standard but that it's ok because Christians, as a whole, deserve it and this is an atheist forum?
I'm trying to explain that him getting dragged through the mud is because of his own actions. I'm not excusing anyone. I'm not saying whether he should or should not get dragged through the mud. I also postulated that theists don't always understand how they offend others and can see themselves as the injured party. I was not saying one side was worse than the other but you ignored all that, kept trying to excuse Neo and made your argument that both sides do it. I was trying to explain why that is. You seem rather upset by this for some reason.
(May 8, 2018 at 8:08 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: All I read were the huge red underlined letters. Thats what happens when you scream at me I suppose. Hard to hear the rest. If she wants to have a normal conversarion I will be more than happy to engage with her.
Maybe you should have bothered reading the post I made. At least you know, if only so we're both talking about the same thing. That was the reason for putting that sentence in big bold red after all.
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