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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 11:40 am
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The Book of Enoch is great for that sort of narrative. Apparently there are keys to those gates.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 11:56 am
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Let's get some new apostle to write the Book of Lephthuk and kick those fucked up xtian gods down there, where they can get their asses beaten up and raped by some pissed off titans.
The ensuing book can be called the Book of Wompass.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 11:56 am
I call it!
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I hereby dub thee, Brother Din.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Quote:A dull place devoid of joy or mirth
Sounds like your average church!
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RE: Is their free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm
(October 10, 2011 at 4:31 am)Godschild Wrote: The Greek is taptapow and means to incarcerate in eternal torment - cast down to hell. The only way I've seen tartarus used is toward the fallen angels and the meaning is to cast down and to chain in darkness, so as far as torture goes for humans it is not seen in scripture.
First off, Tartarus is something that Christians ripped off from Greek mythology. They knew it was a popular "afterlife destination" in that time, so they made Jesus speak of it to boost the characters popularity. Sisyphus is STIL down there as we speak pushing his boulder up that mountain, just to watch it roll back down.
Sure... that isnt torture....obviously Sisyphus enjoys doing that.
Jesus Christ Wrote:"So shall it be at the end of the world [age]: the angels [messengers] shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."--Matt. 13:49,50.
Straight from Jesus' mouth. Hell is a furnace of fire full of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Nope...doesnt sound like torture to me at all.
And when I find myself standing in front of Jesus, I will tell him; "..but I had no reason to fear Hell or your judgement. G-C told me that Hell wasnt a place of eternal torture even though I showed him the verses where you said it was. He said I was taking it out of context... so I figured he was your messenger, so I just took it on his word."
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm
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GC vs JC in a who-can-lick-godsballs-best smackdown would be a treat: Two shysters doing what they do best.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 11:20 pm
(October 10, 2011 at 11:23 am)Epimethean Wrote: Tartaros is not just a place, but a being, and it is Greek, though those lame xtians may have poached it from Hesiod. It was a place where only the worst beings (deities of one sort or another: The Greeks understood how fucked up gods had to be) could be sent.
Your talking about Greek mythology not christian doctrine.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Right, and because xtian "doctrine" borrowed liberally from anywhere it saw fit, the mythology got messed up. The Greeks had a nice system before that. They knew that gods sucked. Then came the ones who pretended otherwise, the silly bastards.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 10, 2011 at 11:30 pm
(October 10, 2011 at 10:54 am)ThomM Wrote: 1- I am unaware of any provable place called heaven - if YOU are able to provide proof of such a place - please identify the country it is in - as their laws would establish what is possible there
THe problem with "free: will - is that if YOU ACCEPT THE OTHER teachings of the christian church - free will CANNOT exist - even for the god
IF a god is OMNISCIENT FOR ALL TIME - then the only thing that can happen is what the god already knows - period. Even the god cannot make "Choices"
Since free will not only implies the ability to make choices - even choices not already known - but also the existence of more than one choice - since the ONLY THING than can happen if a god were ALL Knowing - is what the god already knows - there are NO Choices - the only thing that could be done - even by the god - would be what is known by the god.
These two opposing claims are one reason why the christian god cannot be real as defined by them. If you actually look at all the claims about the god as the religions of christianity define it - it simply is not possible for all the claims to be true in ONE being.
Hell is eternal punishment...but not torture.
Sorry - hell is proven ONLY to be a city in Michigan
YOU can make up all the fairy tales you want - when YOU can provide proof otherwise - we will address the proof
THE bible is already proven NOT to be a reliable source of truth - as admitted by the major christian sect themselves.
Hell wasnt created by God
Of course not - the god of the bible CANNOT exist as defined and never created anything
. Evil humans forced the creation of Hell to happen.
I would believe that calling all the humans in hell michigan to be evil would be argued against by those people
In a way you are right in saying God does not have complete freewill, He put that on Himself though so that is a totally different argument.
Just because God knows what the future will be it in no way means we do not have freewill. We make choices every day and do not know what will result from a lot of them. I think that you do not understand what freewill is as applied to christianity, you have only two choices, either you accept Christ or not and from there your life is a result of that choice.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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