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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 11, 2011 at 11:19 am
(November 10, 2011 at 5:26 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: (November 10, 2011 at 4:35 pm)tackattack Wrote: (November 10, 2011 at 10:31 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: So...you think that faith is required to do good? No I think faith is necessary to do the good God wants you to do. You could do what you consider good as well without faith in anything but your own moral standard.
Kinda makes me suspicious, Tack.
If faith is required to do good, then WTH is going on where faith is low yet good is more prevalent than evil?
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 11, 2011 at 12:29 pm
"No I think faith is necessary to do the good God wants you to do. You could do what you consider good as well without faith in anything but your own moral standard."
Stalin depended on that sort of faith.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 11, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Sorry for getting everyone off on a tangent. Subjective good is a healthy and normative source for personal morality and tons of people, regardless of their religious beliefs, are good by those standards. Since atheists don't believe, see evidence for, follow or care about a god(s) (depending on your flavor) I don't see why they would care about Christians having a standard to objectively improve that subjective morality. [/end tangent]
(November 10, 2011 at 4:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, no, I don't want to quibble. I want you to substantiate the answer you gave because I don't feel that it has any value or merit if this can't be done. It's a non-answer. A platitude. Fine then, a simple question, what are the standards by which you expect me to establish by proof or competent evidence the immaterial?
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 11, 2011 at 1:40 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2011 at 1:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It's not my claim, so it's not up to me to figure out how to substantiate it, burden shifter. Do your own homework, wtf?
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 11, 2011 at 2:19 pm
How the heck am I shifting burden? I didn't ask you to substantiate it, just qualify how you want it substantiated. Listen if you want to continue with all this wasted effort do it alone, I have no problems walking away. If you can't be intellectually honest enough with the community to admit that all along you've been asking for material proof for the immaterial instead of working within the parameters of the discussion, I was invited to and didn't start; this really isn't worth my time.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 12, 2011 at 6:43 am
YOU OK Mighty Tack?? 
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 12, 2011 at 7:36 am
what I can't get as gruff as the opposition at times? I'm no robot KN and enjoy a good (sometimes heated) discussion as much as everyone else. Of course I'm fine, but I'm not mighty. Methinks you read more into my tone because I used the word heck? If was was pissed I'd say for fucks sake or go fuck yourself, as of now I just don't want my time wasted. It's been a taxing first week back, and I'm still getting acclimated.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 12, 2011 at 7:47 am
(November 12, 2011 at 7:36 am)tackattack Wrote: what I can't get as gruff as the opposition at times? I'm no robot KN and enjoy a good (sometimes heated) discussion as much as everyone else. Of course I'm fine, but I'm not mighty. Methinks you read more into my tone because I used the word heck? If was was pissed I'd say for fucks sake or go fuck yourself, as of now I just don't want my time wasted. It's been a taxing first week back, and I'm still getting acclimated.
Unfortunately the written word can often be misinterpreted Tacky ....
and I often "go fuck myself" which .... I am sure you don't want the details
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 12, 2011 at 9:16 am
Good xtians wouldn't want those details. The rest of us heathens, however ...
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 12, 2011 at 9:20 am
(November 12, 2011 at 9:16 am)Epimethean Wrote: Good xtians wouldn't want those details. The rest of us heathens, however ...
I  you Epi
Maybe later?? 
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