Truth or swag?

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, but the question is, would you be willing to worship him from Hell, forever, if he so decreed?

I think I answered your question. And the answer is no and it's impossible to worship such a being,

Then perhaps you see why I;m not a muslim.

[Mystic]

Yeah I do. If I interpreted the Quran like you, I would not be Muslim either.

[The Grand Nudger]

I wouldn;t be a muslim if I interpreted the quran like you, either. You want the swag. I don;t. You think The Right Interpretation™ rescues the character, I don;t.

[Mystic]

I wouldn;t be a muslim if I interpreted the quran like you, either.

You don't know what I know of Quran. Every time I get started, you guys are too impatient for me to continue and come acting like clowns with respect to it.

[The Grand Nudger]

If course we do, you plaster it all over the boards for our amusement.

[emjay]

I think it's upon God to explain his plan.  I think the Torah did a good job of that, but since it's full of crap as well that is mixed with it's treasures, it's become problematic to rely on it.

I believe the Quran has explained his supposed too mysterious ways of why things are the way they are very well, and hadiths help understand as well.

But "too mysterious" for me to "explain at the moment" with "my understanding" is valid so long as the concept doesn't really prove the case against God.

For example, I believe trinity is a contradiction, and to accept as a mystery doesn't make sense. You can't do away with what is logical proven wrong with "mystery".

However if you believe in God and know he exists, but can't explain everything he does, like Moses didn't understand Khidr actions, you can await till you figure out the explanation and it's better to be silent than to say you know without knowing.

That's different then your scenario which we know it would be wrong and evil for a Creator of a world in any possible world to do.

Fair enough... thanks for your answers... I think I see where you're coming from; basically you don't worship just any creator, it has to be a good and just creator, relative to you. So that's kind of semi-swag on your part? There needs to be just reward, but you idealise him in part because he provides just reward?

[Mystic]

Rewards shows he loves and appreciates good, even if little and we lacked respect to his right of being worshiped as he deserved. The answer to your question, is there is not only one God, there is only one possible God, there is no other God possible but God. Worship is impossible with truth to other then God. Of course, when we value things on par with God, it's based on falsehood and act of weakness through sorcery of dark forces.

Were it not for Iblis and his forces, no human would not have worshiped God sincerely and all would have obeyed.

That's what makes this whole ordeal so heartbreaking.

We want to free people from the dark curse that has plagued humanity and the laughter and mockery and playful attitude towards God's proofs and warnings, is irrational at all levels, but God is heart-broken by it, "O (sad) anguish on my servants, there comes not to them a Messenger except that they regarding him would mock"

[The Grand Nudger]

I see a list of horrid shit you're willing to put up with for swag.

[Mystic]

I see a list of horrid shit you're willing to put up with for swag.

I've seen people who believe in Spirit gods without believing in a Creator to the universe and believe in magic.

They know very well how much of a role these beings have had with humans.

Let me stop there, before I really go on a tangent.

[The Grand Nudger]

If I were the perfect and just and yadda yadda yadda creator...I probably wouldn;t give you any swag, on account of the things you say about me and my creation.