What is your problem with Atheism?

[The Grand Nudger]

Secular humanism isn;t a form of atheism, lol.  All secular positions are equally open to believers, should they choose to reach deep down and find their humanity, lol.

secular humanism-

humanism, with regard in particular to the belief that humanity is capable of morality and self-fulfillment without belief in God.

It seems fairly docile and obvious, now doesn;t it? Human morality and self fulfillment is attainable regardless of ones belief and even in the absence of it. You, for example, could be a secular humanist.

The gods themselves could be secular humanists.

[The Industrial Atheist]

There is an idea that I came across that religious people (even barely religious people) think Atheists are untrustworthy because they don't believe in some being watching over them that will punish them if they do things that are wrong.

Thing is religious people do terrible things despite this all the time. Sometimes they do them in the name of god.

I guess the only way available to fight this is to remind them of secular authorities.

[The Grand Nudger]

And yes, it should be obvious that I chose to address my comment specifically to secular humanism, since that is the form of atheism that positively asserts without warrant principles such as human dignity and equality. Many other types of atheists, such as Nietzsche, accept that no such principles are warranted in a godless universe. I consider the later position intellectually honest. Again, it seems like you just want to nit-pick.

-and now, more to the source of your own misapprehension.  Secular humanism isn;t short on warrant(lol) for these things..you simply don;t agree - but at least secular humanism posits these things.  You don;t.   You believe in god dignity, not human dignity.  You believe in some sort of god enforced in-equality, not human equality.  OFC you agree with Nietzche..because deep down you're an incurable nihilist.

These things may be intellectual honest positions for you (being incredibly generous)...but they would not be for me, for atheism in general, or for secular humanism.

[Mister Agenda]

It doesn't accept what is the most worthy of loving and knowing.

It denies the journey and path to ascension.

It neglects the justice and makes it impossible by denying everlasting - reward and punishment.

etc etc.

There's nothing to accept if it doesn't actually exist. If you're not convincing, why should we believe you?

[Neo-Scholastic]

[quote='Neo-Scholastic' pid='1767215' dateline='1527775126']1 Secular humanism isn;t short on warrant(lol) for these things..you simply don;t agree - but at least secular humanism posits these things.  You don;t. 2  You believe in god dignity, not human dignity.  You believe in some sort of god enforced in-equality, not human equality. 3  OFC you agree with Nietzche..because deep down you're an incurable nihilist.

(my numbers)

1. Some secular humanists have indeed proposed various approaches to support their professed principles, such as utilitarianism, "veil of ignorance" etc. I have yet to find one that directly supports the professed principles in such a way that they cannot also justify fascist ideas like eugenics. So yes, I disagree which is why I am of the opinion that secular humanism is without warrant.

2. You apparently do not have a fair grasp of what I believe. Perhaps you should find someone who does embrace those ideas so you can argue with them instead.

3. If I agreed with Nietzsche that "God is Dead", which I did at one time, I would be a nihilist, which I accepted. I no longer agree with Nietzsche and am no longer a nihilist.

[Ravenshire]

It doesn't accept what is the most worthy of loving and knowing.

It denies the journey and path to ascension.

It neglects the justice and makes it impossible by denying everlasting - reward and punishment.

etc etc.

And how the fuck does it affect you, exactly. Believe whatever ridiculous nonsense you prefer, but quit preaching your parhetic, self-serving bullshit to us.

Fuck off, MK!

[The Grand Nudger]

(my numbers)

1. Some secular humanists have indeed proposed various approaches to support their professed principles, such as utilitarianism, "veil of ignorance" etc. I have yet to find one that directly supports the professed principles in such a way that they cannot also justify fascist ideas like eugenics. So yes, I disagree which is why I am of the opinion that secular humanism is without warrant.

People can justify just about anything they want to by reference to anything they want.  It;s not as if magic book is short on reasons to slaughter this or that group.

If you have a problem with eugenics..say you have a problem with eugenics.  Theres no point in confusing eugenics or it;s problems (or the problems of the people who attempt top justify eugenics) with secular humanism.

Though, since you decided to bring it up...have you ever considered that you have more in common with them than I? After all..in your godless universe..what;s wrong with eugenics? Meanwhile, in my godless universe..and frankly, regardless of whether or not there is a god..it;s a hard no for any reason.

2. You apparently do not have a fair grasp of what I believe. Perhaps you should find someone who does embrace those ideas so you can argue with them instead.

Or, and this would be entirely common, you lack the sort of self awareness that might lead you to realize that these beliefs of yours are not demands of theism or atheism, but demands that you place upon both?   

3. If I agreed with Nietzsche that "God is Dead", which I did at one time, I would be a nihilist, which I accepted. I no longer agree with Nietzsche and am no longer a nihilist.

You still agree with nietzche, you;re still a nihilist.  God is cognitive fiat to escape your own profound discomfort with life - and blatantly so  There;s no requirement in theism or atheism that life be meaningless "unless x".  That;s all you.  While you may not believe that god is dead, you posit that if god were dead..nietzsche would be right in every particular. You do this with regularity.

Know thyself. Your problems are not secular humanisms problems. Your problems are not atheisms problems. Your problems are not my problems.

[Angrboda]

More arguments from ignorance from you.  If your beliefs are truly dependent on such arguments, than woe be to you.  You also didn't really answer the original complaint.

ETA:  Also, secular humanism is not atheism.

You love to cry fallacy when no argument was made. Just seems to show that your only interest is to be argumentative and not pursue truth.

How is pointing out that the conditions for truth have not been met not an indication of concern for truth? Maybe you're just being argumentative.

Anyway, if the shoe fits...

You were answering the question what is your problem with Atheism. You responded that it leads to X, Y, and Z. When I pointed out that this was an appeal to consequences, you made claims about secular humanism to support your original claim. That's making an argument whether you want to admit it or not, you dishonest fuck.

[Minimalist]

It denies what is bigger and more important then even all humans combined like it doesn't matter when it's the most important thing to hold on to.

Too bad you can't provide any factual basis for your delusions because, you know, that might make a difference.

But all you can do is point to a book of shitty ancient poetry and then you can't understand why we are not impressed.  What is your fucking problem?

[Neo-Scholastic]

...you dishonest fuck.