assisted suicide vs suicide prevention

[Rev. Rye]

What prevented me would be the stigma and shame it brings to my family. That's it.

And so I will fight to keep such stigma alive.

And, of course, such stigmas often backfire and create things like Suicide by Cop. In Malaysia, there’s a phenomenon called “running amok” which involves people suddenly going around attacking people and anthropologists and psychologists strongly suspect that this is a way for suicidal people to work around the strong Malay taboo against suicide by forcing another person’s hand and attacking another person until someone kills him. Remember the scene where Superman kills Zod in Man of Steel? It’s pretty much the same thing and it happens precisely because of the taboos against suicide.

[Brian37]

You have to separate mental reasons from physical reasons when discussing this subject. If it's mental, most individuals have the ability to commit suicide on their own, in most cases no assistance would be needed.

What prevented me would be the stigma and shame it brings to my family. That's it.

And so I will fight to keep such stigma alive.

No, sorry that is not healthy. It makes it about them, and not you. The person who needs the help needs the focus without the judgment. If someone is judging you or your family for that that is cruel.

If someone had said to my mom, "Your son is evil because he is mentally ill" my mom would have told them to FUCK OFF.

Neither you or your family should be judged because of a very normal medical malady millions and millions worldwide cope with themselves or have family or friends affected by it. If someone is willing to disown you or your family because of something NORMAL, they are the truly sick people, not you.

[brewer]

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You needed assistance to get better, glad you found it. 

I don't think that stigma and shame enter the equation for most that make the attempt.

I had a plan. Simple. Just take all the meds in the bottle with grapefruit, and that would do it.

I never pulled it off because of the stigma. I know a lot of people who the idea won't cross their mind seriously and it's due to the stigma.

The stigma is good. It got us here where as in the past, there was no meds.

Then if the stigma/shame only comes from religion and the only mental savior then atheists must never commit suicide.

[Mystic]

Will is the most important thing when it comes to mental illness. And yes you can balance your mind, some people heal from depression without meds, but I suggest always taking medications because they help boost back the battery into place.

It will never bring the balance to balance, that's up to you.

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I been through low ends of bipolar for years where it was major depression.

I been through a lot. I know what it is, probably more then most people.

I am mentally ill still, and the madness hasn't fully subsided.

And yes it's an evil that God will heal if we turn to him.

No sorry MK, while nobody can ultimately tell you how to cope with yourself personally, the fact is that religion IS NOT nor will ever be a replacement for the professionals. If it helps you cope that is on you, but no holy person or or holy book can replace a proper diagnosis or professional support.

God guides the mentally ill people (1/5 of people are mentally ill) as much he guides the non-mentally ill.

Why would God only guide non-mentally ill people and help them psychologically and not mentally ill people.

Sorry the damn stigma is nothing but a statement that says "We believe in you people who have mentally illness are CAPABLE".

I don't need someone to tell me to feel sorry for myself because I have no responsibility or capability or so little of responsibility or capability. That's the heart of the secular approach, and I don't buy it.

[Catholic_Lady]

Who is to say that mental pain is not every bit as real as physical pain?

There are people who are treated for years by shrinks and remain desperate.

It is a highly personal decision.

So do you think people shouldn't intervene to stop someone from killing themselves?

[Mystic]

From killing souls in babies who are ALIVE in the wombs, to other things,  in opposition to Abrahamic faiths legacy,  now a mentally ill people are going to be allowed to commit suicide.

Catholic_Lady, from the warning signs I see, they will even break up family relations all in the name of bringing enlightenment and justice.

You watch as we move forward and everyone is giving up foundational things to us humans.

When allowed people to kill babies in wombs, it was it.  That was a red line that should never been crossed.

Everything is now open, all foundational limits will be eventually broken.

[Catholic_Lady]

You have to separate mental reasons from physical reasons when discussing this subject. If it's mental, most individuals have the ability to commit suicide on their own, in most cases no assistance would be needed.

But would you intervene to try to stop them?

[Brian37]

No sorry MK, while nobody can ultimately tell you how to cope with yourself personally, the fact is that religion IS NOT nor will ever be a replacement for the professionals. If it helps you cope that is on you, but no holy person or or holy book can replace a proper diagnosis or professional support.

God guides the mentally ill people (1/5 of people are mentally ill) as much he guides the non-mentally ill.

Why would God only guide non-mentally ill people and help them psychologically and not mentally ill people.

Sorry the damn stigma is nothing but a statement that says "We believe in you people who have mentally illness are CAPABLE".

I don't need someone to tell me to feel sorry for myself because I have no responsibility or capability or so little of responsibility or capability. That's the heart of the secular approach, and I don't buy it.

Please stop talking about your God to me on this subject. If you feel the need to believe in order to not hurt yourself or others, that is on you.

BUT AGAIN, that is you. That still DOES NOT constitute a replacement for professionals.

And were the fuck do you get off saying those with mental illness who don't buy your god have no responsibility or capability. Thank you for insulting my survival. I have been suicidal before, AND made it through without the help of a sky hero.

And you are not just insulting me, there are several people on this page with this post you have insulted as well.

I am PROOF that you CAN survive and cope without chalking it up to a sky hero. Saying it is ok to get help or have support from others IS NOT saying give up, or you are helpless, that is not what we are saying. 

Nobody feels sorry for you. I have mental illness too, I am not asking you or anyone to feel sorry for me either.

PLEASE STOP IT!

Saying something is normal, and saying it is ok to have help for a very normal malady is NOT asking anyone to feel sorry for anyone. It is simply saying you should not be stigmatized for having it.

[Mystic]

I won't stop. I experienced extreme limits of despair.

I know what it is. And I won't secularize my experience, I know it was a sin to despair for so long.

I'd rather people be insulted then stripped belief of their capability and responsibility.

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It's obvious, if all mentally ill people are capable of improving and recovering, you can't justify assisted suicide.

So create the myth of non-responsibility as it go hand to hand without non-capability to break foundational limits of wisdom of the past, one by one, as we go into extremes of secularism.

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And guys if it hurts to take responsibility of illness, the nice thing that comes with that is the praise of overcoming comes with it. Yes meds can help, but never are they the cure.

[brewer]

You have to separate mental reasons from physical reasons when discussing this subject. If it's mental, most individuals have the ability to commit suicide on their own, in most cases no assistance would be needed.

But would you intervene to try to stop them?

In which instance, mental or physical? I can't really give an intelligent response with no context. I don't think anyone could.