You're a theist against immigration?

[Drich]

I copied and pasted the first 1/3 of the chapter... the rest of it does not change this first 1/3 sport... hence NOTHING is out of context. Like it or not this was a tough pill for me to swallow when obama was in office now it is simply your turn to take your medicine for society's sake. what's more better find a flavor you like because you got 6 more years of this medicine to take.

What this means is, it would be inappropriate and un-Christian of me were I to take a pitchfork and light it and charge with a large riot and battering ram against the doors of the White House in an attempt to usurp Trump. That is bad because God does not want us to resort to violence against authority, because as a society we need authority to keep us in line.

There is a vast difference between that ^ above, and personally disagreeing with what our current president is doing. There is no admonition against disagreement, only rebellion, and in the context of said rebellion causing more harm than good.

ah... no. What the passage is telling you to do is spelled out in the passage itself. no need to draw a modern parallel,unless you are trying to rewrite what Paul explicitly says. now remember paul has been imprisoned and beaten at least once by rome at this point/before he wrote Romans. never once voice a disagreement. Never objected for being wrongly jailed, never demanded treatment outside of what the law allowed. So then where does your authority come from that allows you to 'protest' the law? from with in the law itself. not a direct line or act of God. It is a grace included in the law a provision from with in the government from allowing the government from getting too big. Which is secondly backed by God but not because God allows us to circumvent the law.

[Angrboda]

Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

[Romans 13:1-7]

No offense, Drich, but I find the argument presented here rather stupid. If this indeed is from God, rather than men, your God seems rather dim. I rather suspect it's not from God.

(This is oddly reminiscent of BennyBoy's recent argument that if you have done no wrong, you don't have any need of privacy. It's, at best, grossly naive.)

[Godscreated]

We have laws in this country on immigration and as long as people observe then they are fine, but for those who come in illegally the have committed a crime and should be sent back to where they came from. Laws were made to keep and hold order for society and if people break them and are not punished then why have any law.

GC

The immigration laws are shit and should be changed. Jesus broke the laws of his society. Was he not just in doing so?

Nice try but this has nothing to do with Jesus. I did not say the laws were the best, they are what we have at this time an must be observed, if laws are made to be broken then have them at all. If laws need to be changed the they should be.

GC

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We have laws in this country on immigration and as long as people observe then they are fine, but for those who come in illegally the have committed a crime and should be sent back to where they came from. Laws were made to keep and hold order for society and if people break them and are not punished then why have any law.

GC

Guess what dummy, laws and orders are two different things. the laws of this country were established to protect the people and must be kept if we are to be a society of law abiding people and be the country the rest of the world wants to come to, laws vanish so does the country. It's a shame I have to even write something you already know to be true, you just want to take the opposite side I do just because I'm a law abiding Christian citizen.

GC

[Succubus]

Oh god, it's that time of the week.

[Godscreated]

Okay everyone our national immigration laws were not taken from scripture and the OT and our laws on immigration are not even close to the same type of situations, so everyone and I mean everyone needs to drop it. We have laws to be obeyed and Jesus told the Jews to obey the laws of the land unless they go against the teachings of scripture, ours do not. So atheist and Christian alike need to either help change what they dislike or shut up and accept what's on the books.

GC

[Angrboda]

Guess what dummy, laws and orders are two different things. the laws of this country were established to protect the people and must be kept if we are to be a society of law abiding people and be the country the rest of the world wants to come to, laws vanish so does the country. It's a shame I have to even write something you already know to be true, you just want to take the opposite side I do just because I'm a law abiding Christian citizen.

GC

[sdelsolray]

What this means is, it would be inappropriate and un-Christian of me were I to take a pitchfork and light it and charge with a large riot and battering ram against the doors of the White House in an attempt to usurp Trump. That is bad because God does not want us to resort to violence against authority, because as a society we need authority to keep us in line.

There is a vast difference between that ^ above, and personally disagreeing with what our current president is doing. There is no admonition against disagreement, only rebellion, and in the context of said rebellion causing more harm than good.

ah... no. What the passage is telling you to do is spelled out in the passage itself. no need to draw a modern parallel,unless you are trying to rewrite what Paul explicitly says. now remember paul has been imprisoned and beaten at least once by rome at this point/before he wrote Romans. never once voice a disagreement. Never objected for being wrongly jailed, never demanded treatment outside of what the law allowed. So then where does your authority come from that allows you to 'protest' the law? from with in the law itself. not a direct line or act of God. It is a grace included in the law a provision from with in the government from allowing the government from getting too big. Which is secondly backed by God but not because God allows us to circumvent the law.

This one is quite stuck with his particular interpretation of Biblical text.  He spends much time trying to make that a reality for himself and others.  Frozen images often destroy opportunities.

[The Grand Nudger]

The irony, is that these two god-botherers are purportedly american.  Happy 4th of July yall.

[Drich]

Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

[Romans 13:1-7]

No offense, Drich, but I find the argument presented here rather stupid.  If this indeed is from God, rather than men, your God seems rather dim.  I rather suspect it's not from God.

(This is oddly reminiscent of BennyBoy's recent argument that if you have done no wrong, you don't have any need of privacy.  It's, at best, grossly naive.)

This is only 1/2 the equation.. the other 1/2 was the catylist for the revolutionary war between the uS and england.

That other 1/2 though doesn't have anything to do with what Jeer had to say about being allowed to hold your government in contempt because the guy you voted for lost. God allows for civil disobedience so long as it directly conflicted with a stated command of His. However this has nothing to do with liking your leaders. You like in the case of trump can hate the man but also accept he has done nothing outside the purview of Power that God allows. In truth he has not halted immigration, he simply chose to enforce the same laws that obama chose to up hold and enforce. Even up holding abortion is not a reason for their to be a 'christian break' from this country. What would deem a break necessary is if the leadership decides to start rewriting the bible via changing constitutional religious liberties." Meaning the constitution is amended to allow the government to argument what a christian or any other religion deems moral or immoral. to demand the worship of God which include certain mandates while excluding others is not the business of the government. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8of3NAX-c

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ah... no. What the passage is telling you to do is spelled out in the passage itself. no need to draw a modern parallel,unless you are trying to rewrite what Paul explicitly says. now remember paul has been imprisoned and beaten at least once by rome at this point/before he wrote Romans. never once voice a disagreement. Never objected for being wrongly jailed, never demanded treatment outside of what the law allowed. So then where does your authority come from that allows you to 'protest' the law? from with in the law itself. not a direct line or act of God. It is a grace included in the law a provision from with in the government from allowing the government from getting too big. Which is secondly backed by God but not because God allows us to circumvent the law.

This one is quite stuck with his particular interpretation of Biblical text.  He spends much time trying to make that a reality for himself and others.  Frozen images often destroy opportunities.

Or they can lead to bigger pictures. it just depends on the purpose for defending what one knows to be true.

[Angrboda]

No offense, Drich, but I find the argument presented here rather stupid.  If this indeed is from God, rather than men, your God seems rather dim.  I rather suspect it's not from God.

(This is oddly reminiscent of BennyBoy's recent argument that if you have done no wrong, you don't have any need of privacy.  It's, at best, grossly naive.)

This is only 1/2 the equation.. the other 1/2 was the catylist for the revolutionary war between the uS and england.

That other 1/2 though doesn't have anything to do with what Jeer had to say about being allowed to hold your government in contempt because the guy you voted for lost. God allows for civil disobedience so long as it directly conflicted with a stated command of His. However this has nothing to do with liking your leaders. You like in the case of trump can hate the man but also accept he has done nothing outside the purview of Power that God allows. In truth he has not halted immigration, he simply chose to enforce the same laws that obama chose to up hold and enforce. Even up holding abortion is not a reason for their to be a 'christian break' from this country. What would deem a break necessary is if the leadership decides to start rewriting the bible via changing constitutional religious liberties." Meaning the constitution is amended to allow the government to argument what a christian or any other religion deems moral or immoral. to demand the worship of God which include certain mandates while excluding others is not the business of the government. 

I'm attacking the reasoning, Drich, that obedience towards appointed leaders is justified because they are, "not a terror to good conduct, but to bad." Even if we ignore those cases where the leaders oppose biblically justified precepts, we have plenty of examples of government being a terror to those who are good, as well. So, as an argument for obeying your leaders, it's a bad one, based on a fantasy, not the reality. If this is an argument from your God, then your God is either unaware of how government can be a terror to those who are good (in which case, he's not omniscient), or he's just making a bad argument (which would contradict the belief that he is perfect). Either way gets you to the conclusion that your God does not exist, based on reasoning from a clear bible passage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8of3NAX-c

I don't see that your video adds anything to your point. Maybe you meant it to convey something, but what, I don't know.