Extremists: a question and a talk

[WinterHold]

If you ever took a close look to the Muslim society, Muslims are categorized into three factions:

1-Self haters
2-Extremists
3-True believers

It is not strange for one category to carry small bits of the other categories; either. So you can see a true believer who carries some self hate or some extremism, and vice versa for every category.

In this topic I want to discuss the "extremists" in specific.

Mostly, this category feels alienated and out of society, its members also feel that everybody in the world is fighting them, anger can be seen shining from their propaganda, and vengeance is one of the main goals of their struggle. Desperation also serves their struggle and is the engine behind their signature act: suicide bombing.

The problem with this category of Muslims is the direct ignoring they do in front of direct verses from the Quran they believe in:

https://quran.com/7/56?translations=
Sura 7, The Quran:

Sahih International

(56) And cause not corruption upon the earth after its reformation. And invoke Him in fear and aspiration. Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.

and:

https://quran.com/5/32?translations=86,29
Surah 5, the Quran:

Sahih International

(32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

But these verses are totally ignored by the extremist mind. Souls are being killed without a soul -the children dying in suicide bombings and the civilians-, corruption takes place with the rash acts of extremists.

But all of that opposing opinion from the same religion extremists say they believe in, does not hold any of them from pressing the trigger, bombing hundreds to oblivion.

Terrorism of extremist Muslim militias, is not at all different in evil than the tactical bombing and savage nuclear threat of non-Muslim superpowers. Actually; it's a very sad thing that a Muslim justifies the crimes they make by the evil done by other regimes and systems, it only differs in scale.

But the question asked for the supporters of Jihadi movements: don't you feel shame of going against obvious, clear verses from your own religion, like the ones above?

Do children and suicide bombing casualties know in what they were killed or because of what?

[chimp3]

That is why we should not seek moral lessons from make believe bull shit.

[Minimalist]

The problem, Atlas, is that all of that shit is so poorly written/translated that anyone can find exactly what they want in it.  Xtians do it all the time too, so it is nothing to feel special about.

[robvalue]

Do those verses come earlier or later than the violent ones they contradict? Because if it's earlier, then they get overruled by the violent ones.

[Angrboda]

But the question asked for the supporters of Jihadi movements: don't you feel shame of going against obvious, clear verses from your own religion, like the ones above?

Do children and suicide bombing casualties know in what they were killed or because of what?

You're so full of shit. The Quran fully supports religious violence without any twisting or bending.

You're nothing but another dishonest apologist.

[WinterHold]

The problem, Atlas, is that all of that shit is so poorly written/translated that anyone can find exactly what they want in it.  Xtians do it all the time too, so it is nothing to feel special about.

If the words spoke the meaning themselves, then we don't need extra walls of text to put a justification the eye cannot see. Left is left; and right is right according to language rules; the text should never be taken but raw.

BTW, there was an ancient order of Muslims who believed in exactly this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%CA%BFtazila

The Quran is 600 pages, you only see a justification for its verses when you present the Hadith books to be companions of the Quran. Suddenly the 600 pages become 2000 or even 20000. And then only cherry picking happens and becomes possible.

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Do those verses come earlier or later than the violent ones they contradict? Because if it's earlier, then they get overruled by the violent ones.

I don't know. I also explained why I don't buy any history foretold by Islamic sects.

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But the question asked for the supporters of Jihadi movements: don't you feel shame of going against obvious, clear verses from your own religion, like the ones above?

Do children and suicide bombing casualties know in what they were killed or because of what?

You're so full of shit.  The Quran fully supports religious violence without any twisting or bending.

You're nothing but another dishonest apologist.

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I brought forth the evidence from the same book you accuse; bring an opposing evidence or bring an opposing evidence.

I'm not full of shit. I pooped recently.

[chimp3]

I have read the Koran twice. Translation by Abdullah Yusef Ali. That is why I left the Chisti Sufi order. The Koran is as violent as the Judeo-Christian Babble. If we want a peaceful world we need to leave this Bronze Aged bullshit behind and start asking what really will produce a peaceful world. The Abrahamic religions have overwhelmingly proved themselves incapable.

[The Grand Nudger]

Categories 2 and 3 have a fair amount of overlap, lol.

[ReptilianPeon]

Categories 2 and 3 have a fair amount of overlap, lol.

But if they are true believers then they must not be extremists necessarily? Are you suggesting that violence is normal? If so, then wouldn't the extremists be the peaceful ones, like Atlas actually. I'm a bit confused.

[Angrboda]

You're so full of shit.  The Quran fully supports religious violence without any twisting or bending.

You're nothing but another dishonest apologist.

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I brought forth the evidence from the same book you accuse; bring an opposing evidence or bring an opposing evidence.

I'm not full of shit. I pooped recently.

I already did, but you just ignored it.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-55130-p...pid1784020