What is wrong with FW?

[Angrboda]

The idiot's out of its cage again.

[Little Rik]

The idiot's out of its cage again.

Anyone affected by the canary syndrome is stuck in a cage.  
I mean......people who reckon that the body is the real you.
People like you so to speak.  
I am free from this syndrome so why should I be an idiot like you?  

I guess you never thought about that yog, did you?  

[Fake Messiah]

Lil Rick calling me a fool is a compliment. It'll be when he thinks I'm brilliant that I'm worried!

You are brilliant Aro.

Few more reincarnations and finally you will be able to get there.

That will not be long but at the end we all will end up in the same beautiful place.

Oh, by the way why you want to delay?  

Yeah, you have to wait until you reincarnate into a cow because only gods reincarnate into cows and to become god you have to first gain the knowledge. So you'll reincarnate into a god and live in Vaikuntha and then in order to talk to LR you have to come back to Earth reincarnated as a cow and LR loves talking to cows because they are the only one that understand him.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Anonymous

[Angrboda]

You are brilliant Aro.

Few more reincarnations and finally you will be able to get there.

That will not be long but at the end we all will end up in the same beautiful place.

Oh, by the way why you want to delay?  

Yeah, you have to wait until you reincarnate into a cow because only gods reincarnate into cows and to become god you have to first gain the knowledge. So you'll reincarnate into a god and live in Vaikuntha and then in order to talk to LR you have to come back to Earth reincarnated as a cow and LR loves talking to cows because they are the only one that understand him.

Just call me "Ole' Bessie, The Little Rik Whisperer"

[vulcanlogician]

@Rik

Doesn't the Bhagavad Gita say something like "Action (ie karma) is merely the gunas acting upon the gunas, while men in their delusion think themselves the doers of an act" ??? The view being presented there seems counter to the idea of free will. But maybe I'm misinterpreting it or something. (I think I can go find the actual verse if you want. Unless, of course, your particular brand of yoga denounces the Gita or something.)

I don't think the idea of God works for or against the idea of free will. There are plenty of atheistic free willists out there. So I don't know where you got the idea that atheism = incompatibilism.

[Lucanus]

I dunno about free will, but a wise man once said:

Fate.
Destiny.
Fatestiny.
These words get thrown around like balls in tennis courts.

And I eat balls for breakfast.

[Angrboda]

God or not God FREE WILL still affect our lives in the good or the bad...

Summary of Plato’s Theory of Human Nature
Plato (427-347 BCE) “was one of the first to argue that the systematic use of our reason can show us the best way to live.”

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The soul (mind) itself is divided into 3 parts: reason; appetite (physical urges); and will (emotion, passion, spirit.) The will is the source of love, anger, indignation, ambition, aggression, etc. When these aspects are not in harmony, we experience mental conflict. The will can be on the side of either reason or the appetites. We might be pulled by lustful appetite, or the rational desire to find a good partner. To explain the interaction of these 3 parts of the self, Plato uses the image is of the charioteer (reason) who tries to control horses representing will and appetites.

[Little Rik]

God or not God FREE WILL still affect our lives in the good or the bad...

Summary of Plato’s Theory of Human Nature
Plato (427-347 BCE) “was one of the first to argue that the systematic use of our reason can show us the best way to live.”

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The soul (mind) itself is divided into 3 parts: reason; appetite (physical urges); and will (emotion, passion, spirit.) The will is the source of love, anger, indignation, ambition, aggression, etc. When these aspects are not in harmony, we experience mental conflict. The will can be on the side of either reason or the appetites. We might be pulled by lustful appetite, or the rational desire to find a good partner. To explain the interaction of these 3 parts of the self, Plato uses the image is of the charioteer (reason) who tries to control horses representing will and appetites.

Plato had a lot of theories.
Tons and tons of them and many of them quite good.

Unfortunately theories alone got him and anyone who follow these theories nowhere.
To get somewhere you need tons and tons of practice which is something that our brother Plato did not have so all his mental work is like a babble that explode in the air.  


Thanks anyway for your attempt to understand FW.



(pat on shoulder)

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@Rik

Doesn't the Bhagavad Gita say something like "Action (ie karma) is merely the gunas acting upon the gunas, while men in their delusion think themselves the doers of an act" ??? The view being presented there seems counter to the idea of free will. But maybe I'm misinterpreting it or something. (I think I can go find the actual verse if you want. Unless, of course, your particular brand of yoga denounces the Gita or something.)

I don't think the idea of God works for or against the idea of free will. There are plenty of atheistic free willists out there. So I don't know where you got the idea that atheism = incompatibilism.

1) I never said that the FW is incompatible with atheism.
I rather said that most atheists hate the idea of FW so it is rather incompatible with atheists in general not with atheism.  

2) To understand the role of the gunas you first got to understand the two opposite forces always present in nature like the positive and negative, yin or yang and so on.

These two forces while are not present in lower form of life such as plants and animals that follow mother nature instinct are instead present in man (men and women of course).
While the positive force try to get you up (up spiritually speaking) the negative one try to push you back towards animal, plant or even matter life so forget for a moment about these gunas and instead try to understand  the low of positive and negative which is much much more important.  

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You are brilliant Aro.

Few more reincarnations and finally you will be able to get there.

That will not be long but at the end we all will end up in the same beautiful place.

Oh, by the way why you want to delay?  

Yeah, you have to wait until you reincarnate into a cow because only gods reincarnate into cows and to become god you have to first gain the knowledge. So you'll reincarnate into a god and live in Vaikuntha and then in order to talk to LR you have to come back to Earth reincarnated as a cow and LR loves talking to cows because they are the only one that understand him.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Anonymous

Well, well, well brother FM.

Religions say a lot of things.
Unfortunately religions are called religions for a reason and that is because they don't follow anymore the teachings of the various spiritual people from which originally they took the real knowledge from such as Shiva, Krishna, Buddha and Jesus to mention the main one.

To summarize listening to what religions say is not the same thing like to listen to the words spoken by the various spiritual beings that came before them.  


Congratulations anyway for your failed attempt to understand the issue.




(pat on shoulder)

[Angrboda]

Plato had a lot of theories.
Tons and tons of them and many of them quite good.

Unfortunately theories alone got him and anyone who follow these theories nowhere.
To get somewhere you need tons and tons of practice which is something that our brother Plato did not have so all his mental work is like a babble that explode in the air.  

By practice I presume you're referring to your meditational practice which you refer to as intuitional science. In Buddhist meditation, there is the concept known as Makyo, which is a form of error or illusion arising within the context of meditation. It's long been recognized that people who meditate can become preoccupied with sensations, ideas, concepts and so on in meditation which, Buddhism recognizes as nothing more than a shadow following the reality. Some even hallucinate. So there is plenty of opportunity for being misled by what one finds in meditation. Even Buddhist doctrines themselves can be acknowledged as a form of makyo which blinds rather than enlightens. So how does one deal with this possibility and realize authentic insight based on one's meditation? The classic response is to rely on traditions and teachers who are or have been more adept at divining the difference between illusion and reality in meditation. Yet this is just another kind of makyo in which the ideas of others infiltrate one's practice and replace real and authentic insight. So dogma about meditation becomes conflated with insight, and becomes a substitute for it. In other words, your "practice" is simply another manifestation of your religious dogma, and thus is bullshit like the rest of your religious crap. You think you're doing work, when in reality, you're just masturbating to a fixed image that you learned by more mundane means. Your practice is nothing more than another expression of religious dogma, and thus is worth jack shit.

But by all means, continue your deluded belief that you're actually doing something meaningful with your "practice." The rest of us will do the real work of spiritual development which you neglect while you're sitting on your ass. Nobody needs your dogmatic crap and your arrogant presumption that you actually know fuckall about what you're doing.

[Little Rik]

Plato had a lot of theories.
Tons and tons of them and many of them quite good.

Unfortunately theories alone got him and anyone who follow these theories nowhere.
To get somewhere you need tons and tons of practice which is something that our brother Plato did not have so all his mental work is like a babble that explode in the air.  

By practice I presume you're referring to your meditational practice which you refer to as intuitional science.  In Buddhist meditation, there is the concept known as Makyo, which is a form of error or illusion arising within the context of meditation.  It's long been recognized that people who meditate can become preoccupied with sensations, ideas, concepts and so on in meditation which, Buddhism recognizes as nothing more than a shadow following the reality.  Some even hallucinate.  So there is plenty of opportunity for being misled by what one finds in meditation.  Even Buddhist doctrines themselves can be acknowledged as a form of makyo which blinds rather than enlightens.  So how does one deal with this possibility and realize authentic insight based on one's meditation?  The classic response is to rely on traditions and teachers who are or have been more adept at divining the difference between illusion and reality in meditation.  Yet this is just another kind of makyo in which the ideas of others infiltrate one's practice and replace real and authentic insight.  So dogma about meditation becomes conflated with insight, and becomes a substitute for it.  In other words, your "practice" is simply another manifestation of your religious dogma, and thus is bullshit like the rest of your religious crap.  You think you're doing work, when in reality, you're just masturbating to a fixed image that you learned by more mundane means.  Your practice is nothing more than another expression of religious dogma, and thus is worth jack shit.

But by all means, continue your deluded belief that you're actually doing something meaningful with your "practice."  The rest of us will do the real work of spiritual development which you neglect while you're sitting on your ass.  Nobody needs your dogmatic crap and your arrogant presumption that you actually know fuckall about what you're doing.

In the past I have seen a guy that was doing meditation with the eyes open while looking at a candle light.

I have also seen people who meditate after they smoke "Maria" or after they had LSD.
I have also seen a lot of people in Buddhists and Hindus temples chanting some old type of mantras while holding an incense stick in their hands.

Luckily I follow the real McCoy with my personal mantra given to me by a real master.

Thanks anyway for your failed attempt to demonize my real yoga.