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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 12:46 pm
(August 2, 2018 at 12:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Right, Brian. Just antiquated horseshit like all religion. The Neo-Platonists had a somewhat grander view of god than these yhwh+jesus fucktards anyway.
Quote:"God does not inflict correction on the world as if he were some unskilled laborer who is incapable of building something properly the first time around; God has no need to purify what he has built by means of a flood or a conflagration (as they teach)."
Celsus, c 180 CE
Minn, I will always love your doggedness on attacking absurd claims. But, as I have said many times, there is no way to force religion off the face of the planet. I will still side with the likes of a Malala, Martin Luther King Jr, or Ann Frank.
My Mom went to her death a Catholic, she believed in God and she was my biggest supporter. Was she full of shit on her beliefs? Sure, but was she a bad person? No.
At this point in history, it is extremely important to fight hyper nationalism and not ignore that it is based on religion. But even given that, we cannot as a species afford to become what we say we hate.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 12:50 pm
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 12:52 pm
It isn't the ones who believe quietly who are the problem, Brian. It is the ones who fly planes into buildings or kill abortion providers because their fucking "god" says its okay.
You have to learn to distinguish between the two.
I have said many times that I am not going to preface every anti-religion comment I make.... and there are many.... with a disclaimer that it does not apply to people who mind their own fucking business. I don't have the time for that.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 12:56 pm
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OH, IDK..the quiet and productive ones are funding the plane tickets...and working with genteel efficiency as legitimate officials of every government in the world. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm
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(August 2, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It isn't the ones who believe quietly who are the problem, Brian. It is the ones who fly planes into buildings or kill abortion providers because their fucking "god" says its okay.
You have to learn to distinguish between the two.
I have said many times that I am not going to preface every anti-religion comment I make.... and there are many.... with a disclaimer that it does not apply to people who mind their own fucking business. I don't have the time for that.
Agreed, be it Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or even Hindu or Buddhist.
There is not one aspect of our global species history that has not had zealots grab power and abuse others.
But, it is physically impossible to expect 7 billion diverse humans to always not express their beliefs. It is unreasonable to expect quite, it reasonable to call bullshit on bad logic. Just like it is reasonable to call atheist Ayn Rand's distopian bullshit bad logic.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 2:21 pm
Expressing beliefs is one thing. Throwing rocks at the heads of unbelievers is something else.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 2:21 pm
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 2:25 pm
(August 2, 2018 at 2:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Expressing beliefs is one thing. Throwing rocks at the heads of unbelievers is something else.
Yep, your rights end where my nose begins. (don't remember the source).
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 3:00 pm
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I think that people are expecting too much when they contend that...so long as someones firmly held religious beliefs remain private and do not interfere with others..they're kosher.
This is not something that we've ever seen humankind show any aptitude whatsoever for. If a person has such a strong position on an issue that it's core to their faith..they will express it, they will extend it, it will interact with others, and they will show and act upon a preference for it any moment that it comes into conflict with countervailing or contravening values...even if they can't quite (or simply wont) pinpoint exactly how the two positions are in competition, as we see in life, in politics, and on the boards.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 4:04 pm
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I find Paul's view not to be that we are all worthwhile, just the opposite, being that we're all shit, and only succeed if God deigns to let us kiss his ring. We can't even justify ourselves by being good men. It's all about prostituting ourselves before the Lord because in and of ourselves we have no value. That you can derive a message about the inherent worth of humanity from that just seems like doublespeak. Paul eviscerates the meaning of our lives and replaces it with one based on servitude.
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