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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 5:02 pm
Should have known better than to tell a christer to educate himself, lol.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 5:03 pm
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Yay Steve swoops in and calls Jehanne an extremist .Well hid majesty has spoken i guess the matter is closed 
(August 1, 2018 at 5:02 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Should have known better than to tell a christer to educate himself, lol. Steves to arrogant to be educated
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 6:00 pm
(July 31, 2018 at 1:55 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: “Paul’s writings underpin Western thought”
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 8:18 pm
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(August 1, 2018 at 1:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: ...However Carrier is far from the mainstream consensus...
What is this mainstream consensus of which you speak?
Link me to historians (Not bible scholars!) who say Carrier's work is without merit.
Bart Ehrman in 3. 2. 1...
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 9:27 pm
(August 1, 2018 at 5:01 pm)SteveII Wrote: (August 1, 2018 at 4:28 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Here's the book, RR:
A Brief Introduction to the New Testament 4th Edition
But it and enjoy!!
This is getting stupid. You claimed that RR's views "do not represent modern scholarship; you are an extremist, as far as higher Biblical scholarship is concerned."
There is no way you can support that. You overreached and now can't figure out how get out gracefully. Dodging specifics and then posting a book to buy is so lame.
Then down the free (albeit, pirated) bootleg copy; I am not condoning that, of course.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 9:32 pm
(August 1, 2018 at 5:01 pm)SteveII Wrote: This is getting stupid. You claimed that RR's views "do not represent modern scholarship; you are an extremist, as far as higher Biblical scholarship is concerned."
There is no way you can support that. You overreached and now can't figure out how get out gracefully. Dodging specifics and then posting a book to buy is so lame.
Higher biblical scholarship has the same rancid stench that is sophisticated theology.
#2.
What is this 'higher Biblical scholarship' of which you speak? And how does it differ from other forms of biblical scholarship? What are its conclusions? How does it arrive at those conclusions? And on who's authority do they speak?
How do bible scholars (upper and or lower) explain how the rules by which the universe operates are circumvented in order that a three day old purifying corpse be brought back to life?
And you can't appeal to theologians (coarse or refined) because they have no fucking idea.
One final question, why do you believe the bible story?
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 9:42 pm
Do a search for "higher Biblical scholarship" and you'll be surprised by how little you find. I think Stevie pulled that one out of his ass....along with everything else he says.
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 1, 2018 at 10:18 pm
higher Biblical scholarship is code word for Christian apologetic's which is code word for lying for Jesus .
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 10:10 am
What's the very best example of how Paul's writings underpin Western thought?
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RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
August 2, 2018 at 10:32 am
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(August 2, 2018 at 10:10 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: What's the very best example of how Paul's writings underpin Western thought?
1. Intrinsic value. The Roman and Greek view was not that people had intrinsic values just for being people. When Paul said such things like "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal 3:28) this was revolutionary. Your birth, your societal status, your nationality, your gender does not give you value in the eyes of God. That would be a very appealing message to entire classes of people who were told otherwise and often lived brutal lives as a consequence.
There are actually a number of things wrapped up in this issue. If you believe everyone is highly valued by God, your worldview must change over time. Things like education and hospitals and social welfare are natural extensions of your worldview. I'm not saying if not for Christianity, then we would not have these, but I think that we can find other cultures to make a comparison and it turns out this is a very far-reaching feature of a Christian worldview.
(August 1, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Succubus Wrote: (August 1, 2018 at 5:01 pm)SteveII Wrote: This is getting stupid. You claimed that RR's views "do not represent modern scholarship; you are an extremist, as far as higher Biblical scholarship is concerned."
There is no way you can support that. You overreached and now can't figure out how get out gracefully. Dodging specifics and then posting a book to buy is so lame.
Higher biblical scholarship has the same rancid stench that is sophisticated theology.
#2.
What is this 'higher Biblical scholarship' of which you speak? And how does it differ from other forms of biblical scholarship? What are its conclusions? How does it arrive at those conclusions? And on who's authority do they speak?
How do bible scholars (upper and or lower) explain how the rules by which the universe operates are circumvented in order that a three day old purifying corpse be brought back to life?
And you can't appeal to theologians (coarse or refined) because they have no fucking idea.
One final question, why do you believe the bible story?
Do try to pay attention. That was a quote from Jehanne--ask her.
The rest of your post is off topic.
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