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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 12:58 pm
(August 7, 2018 at 1:08 am)robvalue Wrote: No one has voted for physically restricting mothers so far. I'm happy to hear that of course, but let me pose a scenario for pro-life advocates:
Let's say it's illegal for doctors to perform abortions, and a pregnant woman is desperate to have an abortion. She says openly that she is going to get it done, however she can. There's every reason to believe she is serious. Should this be grounds to restrain her to prevent her from seeking/performing an abortion? If so, how would the laws you propose justify this?
On a side note, I don't understand how someone can consider an abortion murder and yet hold only the doctor accountable. If the mother is a willing participant, then she's an accomplice to murder.
Yes to restraint. She might hurt herself and/or the baby. In any scenario where someone might hurt themselves or another, we should stop them.
So yes, restrain, but the protocol for dealing with such situation should also require care. Mental health care and counseling, as well as any help she needs during the pregnancy.
As to the last part, I believe I addressed that in detail on my first post here.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Postcards from Gilead, lol.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 1:05 pm
(August 7, 2018 at 11:47 am)JairCrawford Wrote: (August 5, 2018 at 6:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No, obviously we don't want that either, Min. Which is why I said the goal of all this is to build a culture of life. That requires more than just banning abortion.
We need better care and support for women who find themselves in difficult pregnancies. Both during their pregnancy and after - whether they choose to keep the baby or turn them over to adoptive families, they should have financial help, medical care, and support every step of the way.
I suspect if these women dont feel so alone and dont feel like their pregnancy is an impossible situation, and if they think of their unborn babies as true human beings, the urge to abort them would greatly decrease.
It would be a process, but one worth striving for, and that should be the goal.
Sorry... it's an extremely sensitive and personal issue for me and my family. I shouldn't be on this thread, but couldn't help it.
I appreciate that it gives you pause, which is why I kudos it.. but I guess felt discouraged when I saw another post after that. Please dont take it personally. ❤
I agree with your sentiments. But I'm not sure if making all abortions illegal would be a good first step, because that -would- bring back the coat hangars. I think, the change of heart would need to precede the legal issues, and not the other way around.
Perhaps. Either way, it would be a process, and one that I strongly think needs to happen.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 1:14 pm
Abortion is a religious issue and as can be seen by this poll it is being driven by one minority group.
http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/publi...-abortion/
Quote:Views on abortion by religious affiliation, 2017
Seven-in-ten white evangelical Protestants (70%) think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
By contrast, 80% of religiously unaffiliated Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, as do two-thirds of white mainline Protestants (67%).
Black Protestants and Catholics are somewhat more divided. Among black Protestants, 55% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 41% say it should be illegal. And, among Catholics, 53% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases and 44% say it should be illegal.
As the "nones" are the fastest growing group in the country it is fairly easy to see what the end game of this will be as the nuttier jesus freaks die off.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 2:35 pm
(August 7, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes to restraint. She might hurt herself and/or the baby. In any scenario where someone might hurt themselves or another, we should stop them.
So yes, restrain, but the protocol for dealing with such situation should also require care. Mental health care and counseling, as well as any help she needs during the pregnancy.
As to the last part, I believe I addressed that in detail on my first post here.
How many people find it easy to get a job after being "restrained" due to the threat of hurting another?
Can you see that such a view would only result in an increase of single unemployed mothers? What could go wrong?!
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 2:39 pm
You're talking to someone who -just- defended the catholic churches position on contraception in africa. You can only mean "what will go right!".
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 2:43 pm
Quote:So yes, restrain, but the protocol for dealing with such situation should also require care. Mental health care and counseling, as well as any help she needs during the pregnancy.
Yes, and we all know how committed the WLB's administration is to that.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/ed...r-children
Quote:On this front, the Trump budget seeks to pull the rug out from under students and families. It slashes hundreds of millions of dollars for Medicaid and the children’s health care program, guts food security and job training, and reduces housing subsidies and affordable-housing investments.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 3:17 pm
Okay, so two for restraint now. I have to say I'm surprised, I didn't think anyone would admit to going that far. I find it more than a little scary, but I respect the honesty.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 3:37 pm
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Give them the shackles, see how honest they're being, lol. Maybe they could set up special rooms in their basements.
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 7, 2018 at 3:39 pm
(August 7, 2018 at 3:17 pm)robvalue Wrote: Okay, so two for restraint now. I have to say I'm surprised, I didn't think anyone would admit to going that far. I find it more than a little scary, but I respect the honesty.
Would you restrain a mother that said she was going to kill her 1 year old baby? Why is that scary?
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