New Trek show...

[The Valkyrie]

We could have done with more Garak, less Nog, and even less bloody Vic Fontaine!

[KevinM1]

I LOVE all this hate over 24th Century Star Trek characters because now we're discussing REAL Start Trek rather than the abortion that was Abrahms Trek or the horrible Enterprise.

I don't know if this new series will be any good. I'm guessing Picard will now be an admiral. I have a hard time imagining it being any worse than the pathetic efforts we have seen after Voyager, though.

I would honestly love to see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy. Molding the hearts and minds of the future while having ample opportunity to give his patented speeches.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I LOVE all this hate over 24th Century Star Trek characters because now we're discussing REAL Start Trek rather than the abortion that was Abrahms Trek or the horrible Enterprise.

I don't know if this new series will be any good. I'm guessing Picard will now be an admiral. I have a hard time imagining it being any worse than the pathetic efforts we have seen after Voyager, though.

I would honestly love to see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy. Molding the hearts and minds of the future while having ample opportunity to give his patented speeches.

It could be called Star Trek Administrative Duties.

[Anomalocaris]

I would honestly love to see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy.  Molding the hearts and minds of the future while having ample opportunity to give his patented speeches.

Star Trek, Picard gone wild.

[vulcanlogician]

I LOVE all this hate over 24th Century Star Trek characters because now we're discussing REAL Start Trek rather than the abortion that was Abrahms Trek or the horrible Enterprise.

I don't know if this new series will be any good. I'm guessing Picard will now be an admiral. I have a hard time imagining it being any worse than the pathetic efforts we have seen after Voyager, though.

I would honestly love to see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy.  Molding the hearts and minds of the future while having ample opportunity to give his patented speeches.

Yeah, but a Star Trek series set in San Francisco might get old pretty quick.

[Pat Mustard]

My roommate and I used to call him "Chipotle" ... lol. He was annoyed by the character, too. I always thought he was okay. One of my favorite Voyager scenes is when he punched the dude who wanted to do things "the Maquis way" and said, "That's the Maquis way!"

I never really understood all the hate directed at his character.

PS: Janeway was awesome.

I think there were two main problems with Chakotay:

1. He was boring as fuck most of the time.
2. He was a Native American pastiche, an amalgamation of tropes rather than a well-researched and developed character.

Voyager itself was incredibly underwhelming.  A lot of it was the writing.  The show abandoned its premise early on to become TNG lite, to the point where Reginald Barclay and Deanna Troi were semi-regular guest stars.  Conflicts were largely uninspired.  Got a problem?  Throw some Borg nanoprobes at it and call it a day.  There was also some strife among the cast.  

Garret Wang was somewhat disliked, and was going to be released until he was voted one of Hollywood's most beautiful actors.  Jennifer Lien was released instead (although, given her recent public issues with mental illness, perhaps there was more to her release than that). Robert Beltran had a reputation of being difficult.  Kate Mulgrew hated Jeri Ryan.

Still better than Enterprise, but that's damning with faint praise.

The biggest problem with Chocolate Day's "indianness" is that they hired the fraud Jamake Hightower as consultant when creating the character.

[KevinM1]

I would honestly love to see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy.  Molding the hearts and minds of the future while having ample opportunity to give his patented speeches.

Yeah, but a Star Trek series set in San Francisco might get old pretty quick.

Rumor has it it's only going to be a miniseries anyway. At least, one of the new planned Prime-timeline (not to be confused with the Kelvin-timeline that's in the current Paramount movies) shows is going to be a miniseries.

There was also a rumor of some sort of animated series, which could be great if they got the people from Avatar/Korra/Voltron to do it. Those shows have always had strong characters, pretty decent plots, and solid animation.

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I think there were two main problems with Chakotay:

1. He was boring as fuck most of the time.
2. He was a Native American pastiche, an amalgamation of tropes rather than a well-researched and developed character.

Voyager itself was incredibly underwhelming.  A lot of it was the writing.  The show abandoned its premise early on to become TNG lite, to the point where Reginald Barclay and Deanna Troi were semi-regular guest stars.  Conflicts were largely uninspired.  Got a problem?  Throw some Borg nanoprobes at it and call it a day.  There was also some strife among the cast.  

Garret Wang was somewhat disliked, and was going to be released until he was voted one of Hollywood's most beautiful actors.  Jennifer Lien was released instead (although, given her recent public issues with mental illness, perhaps there was more to her release than that). Robert Beltran had a reputation of being difficult.  Kate Mulgrew hated Jeri Ryan.

Still better than Enterprise, but that's damning with faint praise.

The biggest problem with Chocolate Day's "indianness" is that they hired the fraud Jamake Hightower as consultant when creating the character.

Yup. And, from what I've heard/read, Beltran had to convince the writers that it made more sense for Chakotay to have a Mesoamerican background rather than the Plains Indian background he initially had for the first few seasons. Which, I mean, duh. Even with the change in label, they didn't do anything to reflect the change in culture... he was still talking about sky spirits and shit.

[Ravenshire]

The main thing I hated about Voyager was Mulgrew.  I wouldn't be inclined to describe what she did as acting.  If I could have gotten past that, still, I'd have probably found many of the other characters silly, and no great actors among any of them.

I completely gave up on Voyager when a half-klingon, half-human "caught" Pon Farr from a Vulcan. It became glaringly obvious that Berman and company were out for the advertising bucks and fuck the fans.

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Neelix should have been killed early on.

Neelix was killed off, along with Tuvok, and replaced with what could have become Star Trek's most interesting character ever, Tuvix. Then Janeway committed murder to get Dipshit and Boring Guy back.

[KevinM1]

"Tuvix" was the episode that convinced me that

1. The writers were idiots
2. Janeway was crazy

[The Valkyrie]

Yeah, Tuvix was ...


...interesting.

They tried to Produce a moral dilemma episode that truly failed to engage.

I remember quite early in the show they mentioned they had a limited number of photon torpedoes and no way to manufacture more. Then in one or two eps they fired more than they said they had.

One DS9 comment that got me, however was when the soon to be killed by Garak Romulan senator stated that the Federation’s shipyards were still being rebuilt.

It might have helped with story continuity if this had been mentioned earlier.

“Stardate whatever, Federation shipyards throughout the Federation have been attacked and destroyed. Our ability to produce more ships has been seriously reduced.”