New Trek show...

[KevinM1]

Yeah, Voyager was atrocious with how it didn't handle resource scarcity, which can be summed up in two words: Delta Flyer.

I mean, it was a cool looking shuttle, but it completely killed what little was left of the show's initial premise. And, they built two of them (the 1st was destroyed at some point).

[Jehanne]

About fucking time!

There has been to much retro shit in the Trekverse over the past decades.

First it was Enterprise, then the Jar Jar Abrams “Trek” reboots, and then Discovery, which I still haven’t seen.

But it has just been announced that they are going to be making a new Trek series, based two decades after the end of TNG and once again starring Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard!

Let’s hope it lives up to it’s potential!

I remember a Tonight Show episode with Patrick Stewart where he openly admired that it was "just about the money" as to why he played the role of Jean-Luc Picard.  It was such a letdown to hear him say that; Jay Leno, of course, took it all in stride.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Apparently Patrick Stewart has been approached many times to do a new series reprising his role as Captain Picard but he turned them all down because they weren't good enough.

[Jehanne]

It's really now or never; he's starting to get old, kind of like Harrison Ford trying to repose his role.

[Anomalocaris]

It's really now or never; he's starting to get old, kind of like Harrison Ford trying to repose his role.

Star Trek, the golden years.

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Apparently Patrick Stewart has been approached many times to do a new series reprising his role as Captain Picard but he turned them all down because they weren't good enough.

He was still getting respectable roles.

[KevinM1]

About fucking time!

There has been to much retro shit in the Trekverse over the past decades.

First it was Enterprise, then the Jar Jar Abrams “Trek” reboots, and then Discovery, which I still haven’t seen.

But it has just been announced that they are going to be making a new Trek series, based two decades after the end of TNG and once again starring Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard!

Let’s hope it lives up to it’s potential!

I remember a Tonight Show episode with Patrick Stewart where he openly admired that it was "just about the money" as to why he played the role of Jean-Luc Picard.  It was such a letdown to hear him say that; Jay Leno, of course, took it all in stride.

I don't know how famous Stewart was across the pond before TNG, but in the states he was just a dude who had small parts in that crappy Dune movie and that trippy Excalibur movie. TNG offered him a way to increase his fame and bank account with very little risk (he could always simply go back to theater and small movie roles). That the role became iconic is a testament to both the writers of that era, and his performances (especially season 3 forward), but I neither doubt nor begrudge him for taking the role because he wanted to get paid for his craft.

[Fake Messiah]

"Tuvix" was the episode that convinced me that

1. The writers were idiots
2. Janeway was crazy

To be honest I learned to appreciate Voyager over the years, including Tuvix episode.
It was a goofy episode, with somewhat gay undertone, that you could sit back and chill out watching. There wasn't anything dark about it, no torture, no screaming, they weren't pounding you over the head with some mysteries which you will be hoping they answer in the last episode, but just some science.
Almost all episodes of Voyager and TNG had the same premise and that was that they had encountered some problem which they tried to make to look unsolvable, but then at the end everything comes to status quo.
Especially in Voyager because they were so isolated from the rest that they really had to concentrate on individual characters and their individual problems, they couldn't exactly do as they did in TNG where some character is being visited by an old friend who turns out to be a foe, or being visited by sibling, parent, teacher - I mean they could do it very sparsely.

[KevinM1]

"Tuvix" was the episode that convinced me that

1. The writers were idiots
2. Janeway was crazy

To be honest I learned to appreciate Voyager over the years, including Tuvix episode.
It was a goofy episode, with somewhat gay undertone, that you could sit back and chill out watching. There wasn't anything dark about it, no torture, no screaming, they weren't pounding you over the head with some mysteries which you will be hoping they answer in the last episode, but just some science.
Almost all episodes of Voyager and TNG had the same premise and that was that they had encountered some problem which they tried to make to look unsolvable, but then at the end everything comes to status quo.
Especially in Voyager because they were so isolated from the rest that they really had to concentrate on individual characters and their individual problems, they couldn't exactly do as they did in TNG where some character is being visited by an old friend who turns out to be a foe, or being visited by sibling, parent, teacher - I mean they could do it very sparsely.

TNG never had anything like "Tuvix." The closest one was the episode that introduced the Trill, and it was a pretty progressive episode essentially dealing with transgenderism.

The biggest flaw with "Tuvix" was that, IMO, Janeway's final decision was utterly immoral. Tuvix was a new life form. Completely unique. Exactly what Starfleet purports to be about. And, it's not like Tuvok and Neelix were somehow in pain. They were simply merged into something new. A life that begged and pleaded to live.

And she, for all intents and purposes, killed him for no real reason.

I dunno... I just found the entire thing distasteful.

[Jehanne]

I remember a Tonight Show episode with Patrick Stewart where he openly admired that it was "just about the money" as to why he played the role of Jean-Luc Picard.  It was such a letdown to hear him say that; Jay Leno, of course, took it all in stride.

I don't know how famous Stewart was across the pond before TNG, but in the states he was just a dude who had small parts in that crappy Dune movie and that trippy Excalibur movie. TNG offered him a way to increase his fame and bank account with very little risk (he could always simply go back to theater and small movie roles). That the role became iconic is a testament to both the writers of that era, and his performances (especially season 3 forward), but I neither doubt nor begrudge him for taking the role because he wanted to get paid for his craft.

I have no problem with people wanting to make money, but, after encountering the visionary Gene Roddenberry, I would have thought that Mr. Stewart would have had something a little "deeper" to say while on national television.

[KevinM1]

I don't know how famous Stewart was across the pond before TNG, but in the states he was just a dude who had small parts in that crappy Dune movie and that trippy Excalibur movie.  TNG offered him a way to increase his fame and bank account with very little risk (he could always simply go back to theater and small movie roles).  That the role became iconic is a testament to both the writers of that era, and his performances (especially season 3 forward), but I neither doubt nor begrudge him for taking the role because he wanted to get paid for his craft.

I have no problem with people wanting to make money, but, after encountering the visionary Gene Roddenberry, I would have thought that Mr. Stewart would have had something a little "deeper" to say while on national television.

Eh, it was a statement made on Leno. I'm 99% sure he was just joking.