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Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
#51
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
(August 8, 2018 at 12:19 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: It is pointless to say, "you started it". The more important question is "who will end it?"

Since it seems the real point of your latest volley is that liberals and liberals alone should, I'm inclined to read between the lines and see this as nothing more than dishonest partisan posturing on your part.
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#52
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
You are entitled to your opinion. I do not believe I could have expressed my sincerity in an honest conversation any more clearly than I already have. It just so happens that 1) Republicans are the current party in power and the primary target of disparagement and 2) civility has increasingly become an issue for all sides with a majority of mainstream media having openly expressed opposition to the Trump administration and Trump supporters accusing those outlets as purveying deceptive and biased coverage.
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#53
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
Quote:It is pointless to say, "you started it". The more important question is "who will end it?"
If only you actually believed that 

Quote:You are entitled to your opinion. I do not believe I could have expressed my sincerity in an honest conversation any more clearly than I already have.
Then that's sad 



Quote: Republicans are the current party in power and the primary target of disparagement 
Yup and justly so



Quote:civility has increasingly become an issue for all sides with a majority of mainstream media having openly expressed opposition to the Trump administration and Trump supporters accusing those outlets as purveying deceptive and biased coverage.
Civility in the face of evil is apathy and Trump has earned every harsh word despite the salty tears of his cult followers .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#54
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Not sure which side of the debate this is for, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
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#55
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
(August 8, 2018 at 11:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: If anything, the Tea Party set the tone for what has come later.  The original violence and harassment politics seemed to start with them.  Or do you have examples that go back further?

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#56
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
(August 7, 2018 at 4:44 pm)Aroura Wrote:
(August 7, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I do not know of any prominent conservatives agitating protesters or liberal public figures that have been intimidated publically, or notable conservative pundits defending such behavior. Maybe some of the more left-leaning AF members could provide some examples to further the conversation.

My friend, you really are out of touch.  You think harassing people is a one sided political behavior? You could easily find it if you bothered to even look. I mean, I'm aware that liberals also engage in terrible behavior.  What kind of bubble do you live in where you do not see the other side?

See conservatives harassing actress Kelly Marie Tran off of twitter with their anti-SJW diatribes and telling her to kill herself (and then defending the diatribes by saying, hey, she never said that was why she quit twitter! As if that was a defense of being a bullying asshole).  

Jesse Waters of Fox News regularly harassed numerous writers at HuffPo. Even ambushing them.

See Trump himself harassing every famous liberal who has ever spoken publicly about their dislike of him.  Even mildly.

Jeesus, basically EVERY conservative pundit right now that defends Trump, is defending someone who regularly harasses and bullies those of his political opposition.

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Harrassment spews from both ends of the political spectrum. Pretending that it only comes from one side is disingenuous.
Most of us regular citizens don't condone or encourage harassment, even when it's from the political side that we identify with. I get out there and march in left-leaning protests, etc but I've publicly rebuked extremist behavior from the political left.

On an interesting side note - Smithsonian Magazine did a story about "The Schoolgirls Who Shattered Segregation" in the American south in the 60s. I was surprised that one of the girls said when she was in elementary school when Kennedy was assassinated, many in her (mostly white) school were happy because they resented that Kennedy sent in federal troops to enforce desegregation.
Think about that - citizens with views that were so entrenched against the president that they were happy he was killed. And this was 55 years ago.

So, Neo, the issues you raise aren't all that new.

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#57
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
If you can protest outside abortion clinics, I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to protest public figures wherever they go.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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#58
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
(August 8, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Cecelia Wrote: If you can protest outside abortion clinics, I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to protest public figures wherever they go.

Not to mention the abortion provider who was shot in his own home by an anti-abortion sniper back in the 90s.

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#59
RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
Meh, it's silly.  The wingnuts on the right have spent at least as long as I've been alive baying like rabid dogs..at least, when they weren't beating some darky or bombing a clinic.  Now they want civility.


Too bad. All that tree watered with blood shit might come true, just not the way they envisioned it. It's sort of ridiculous..when you really think about it. The idea that a popular resistance would arise out of conservatism. Bound up in the names and identifiers. The right was always destined for a popular complacence, in opposition to those who had the courage of their convictions and the will to change. If mean words are the worst of it, they're getting off easy.
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
(August 8, 2018 at 11:35 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Meh, it's silly.  The wingnuts on the right have spent at least as long as I've been alive baying like rabid dogs..at least, when they weren't beating some darky or bombing a clinic.  Now they want civility.


Too bad.  All that tree watered with blood shit might come true, just not the way they envisioned it.  It's sort of ridiculous..when you really think about it.  The idea that a popular resistance would arise out of conservatism.  Bound up in the names and identifiers.  The right was always destined for a popular complacence, in opposition to those who had the courage of their convictions and the will to change.  If mean words are the worst of it, they're getting off easy.
Here here their squeals for civility were when we were civil and they walked allover the left  That's not happening again.
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