Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[bennyboy]

This is what you get when two people who are not listening to each other refuse to stop arguing because they don't want to "back down." Seventy-something pages of complete nonsense. Jesus.

You're completely right about precisely one thing up there.  It's not something I'll ever back down on.  That's how the PC Left thought police win.  All anyone has to do is shut up and let them dominate the narrative. We are on that road right now, and it is a national embarrassment.

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The money you still haven't donated, you mean?  Just stop...it's beneath you.

Dude, I've made it as easy for you as I can. Cite the 10% heritability that you claimed. . . ANYWHERE in any source, and it's done. I mean. . . it should be easy, right?

[The Grand Nudger]

....you should read the links I gave you..........or, conversely, just stop pretending that this was any different than your silly million dollar bet.

[bennyboy]

....you should read the links I gave you..........or, conversely, just stop pretending that this was any different than your silly million dollar bet.

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Not only did I read them, I used 2 of them in citations.

And no, everyone knows "I'll bet a million dollars" is a figure of speech.  If you can prove you weren't lying about the 10% heritably that you not only stated as a fact, but complained that "scientific racism" was deliberately neglecting to mention, then I will in fact donate $150 to charity.  Quite frankly, I figured you HAD found such a quote, and I really just wanted you to cite it properly so I could see it. I considered the money already spent, and for a good cause, too.

It was only after you tap-danced around it for about 5 posts that I realized you might just be making shit up.  I still hope that's not the case, because while I think you're a dick, and argue like one, I've never actually thought you might straight-up lie.

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False,  people in desperate socioeconomic stations score lower on IQ tests.  

Yeah, no shit.

The next questions would be-- is it a fact that there are racial differences, or is it due to cultural or economic conditions?

It's like, as soon as I introduced the alt-right idea of IQ and race, I immediately questioned whether it was due to economic circumstances. Go figure.

My current inclination is to hope that even though IQ after puberty is said by most psychologists to be about 75% or 80% due to heritability, that black children are so disadvantaged that serious developmental issues (damage due to drug use, malnutrition and so on) is snowballing.  Because if so, then we could attack problems of poverty, drug use, and so on, and hope to yield an improvement in scores, in income, and in quality of life.

[The Grand Nudger]

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Not only did I read them, I used 2 of them in citations.

And no, everyone knows "I'll bet a million dollars" is a figure of speech.  If you can prove you weren't lying about the 10% heritably that you not only stated as a fact, but complained that "scientific racism" was deliberately neglecting to mention, then I will in fact donate $150 to charity.  Quite frankly, I figured you HAD found such a quote, and I really just wanted you to cite it properly so I could see it.  I considered the money already spent, and for a good cause, too.

No ...you wont, Benny.  I already gave you the links you need.  Cmon man..even -I- respect you more than you do...in this.

It was only after you tap-danced around it for about 5 posts that I realized you might just be making shit up.  I still hope that's not the case, because while I think you're a dick, and argue like one, I've never actually thought you might straight-up lie.

Oh yeah, ya think?   Tell me more.  Just keep saying it for a few more pages.  It's not like I make sport of this kind of shit or anything.  Hur durr I'm a dick, tell me something that no one knows about me.  

False,  people in desperate socioeconomic stations score lower on IQ tests.  

Yeah, no shit.

Indeed.  

The next questions would be-- is it a fact that there are racial differences, or is it due to cultural or economic conditions?

It's like, as soon as I introduced the alt-right idea of IQ and race, I immediately questioned whether it was due to economic circumstances.  Go figure.

...and then you proceeded from there.........as I mentioned before, it's almost as if you knew better, but persisted anyway.  

Black man in a dark park.  Are you aware of the real consequences of maintaining the disinformation that's been fed to you..that you have repeated..in the american political system? Does it matter to you that it's hurt people?

[bennyboy]

No ...you wont, Benny.  I already gave you the links you need.  Cmon man..even -I- respect you more than you do...in this.

I'm telling you that if you can show where you got the 10% heritability figure from, I will in fact donate that amount of money. Instead of pre-emptively calling me a liar, why don't you just give the citation and see what happens?

My current position is that you misread it (what with you constantly being triggered and all), and that I quoted you before you could go back and change it. Sound about right?

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm telling you that if you can show where you got the 10% heritability figure from, I will in fact donate that amount of money.  Instead of pre-emptively calling me a liar, why don't you just give the citation and see what happens?

Benny...lol......please...you wont...because you already have the link.  Just stahp...full stop.

My current position is that you misread it (what with you constantly being triggered and all), and that I quoted you before you could go back and change it.  Sound about right?

Sounds like you trying to hold onto money that I don't even fault you or wanting to hold on to, lol.  Dolla dolla bills yall.

[bennyboy]

Black man in a dark park.  Are you aware of the real consequences of maintaining the disinformation that's been fed to you..that you have repeated..in the american political system?  Does it matter to you that it's hurt people?

Have I ever, EVER, said that racism isn't a thing, and that it doesn't matter? Who, exactly, are you arguing against?

[The Grand Nudger]

I get that you don't realize that you've been a vehicle for racism.  I really do.  That's part of what I think is so sad about the whole thing.

I mean...I know this is going to fall on a deaf set of ears...but I really like you fuckin like you....dude..

: shrugs :

[bennyboy]

I'm telling you that if you can show where you got the 10% heritability figure from, I will in fact donate that amount of money.  Instead of pre-emptively calling me a liar, why don't you just give the citation and see what happens?

Benny...lol......please...you wont...because you already have the link.  Just stahp...lol.

Dude, you're supposed to cite your sources properly anyway, just because that's how using sources in argumentation works. If someone can't find the thing you're talking about, then you go back and quote it, and say, "Here. . . it's in this link on page 2" or whatever. You don't dump a bibliography on them and tell them to start reading-- (which, anyway, I actually did, because fuck you).

I don't NEED to pay $150 to be right in asking you to cite properly. I'm offering to do it, because your unwillingness to support your narrative with facts is typical of the PC Left (or the Kool Khemikal Klub or whatever you want to call people who argue like you without you crying about No True Scotsmen) and must be called out. I'm willing to spend $150 to get you to argue like an educated human being rather than a meme-slinging bullshitter, if even for just one single post.

[The Grand Nudger]

Benny...lol......please...you wont...because you already have the link.  Just stahp...lol.

Dude, you're supposed to cite your sources properly anyway, 

-and I did, to the tune of dozens of cited sources....even if I'm the kind of dick who likes to watch other people trip over their dicks before I cite.  lol.  

Look...man,  continue to present the opposing viewpoint if you need to, if you enjoy it, but stop pretending that you haven't been given everything you asked for. Right?  Own it. As I've already conceded...I'm not one of The Nice Ones™. I'm sure that this bothers people who think that I should probably work to center you for no reason other than practical political benefit. Ultimately, that's why I'm not their political peers or their voting bloc.

Again I ask.....darky in a park....are you aware of the effect that the maintenance of the positions you've advocated for in this thread have had on american politics..and thus..real peoples lives? Do you understand, that...beyond it's simple inaccuracy...it's being used to hurt people? Does that concern you? Step one.

You are emphatically not willing to part with your money......you will search for any excuse not to do so. Even though I am, even though my (big) family does. We make our living through non-profit. You do not. Own that.