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RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:20 am
(August 18, 2018 at 11:00 am)possibletarian Wrote:
(August 18, 2018 at 10:54 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why are they refusing to do the job? I think that if it goes against their conscience, they can refuse a job that has a message against the LGBT. A gay florist could refuse a job for a float that conveys a message they don’t agree with.
If a person came in and asked to make a birthday cake, which also conveys a message celebrating their induction into the klan, do you think a person should be able to refuse that order? Does it make a difference if the message is explicit or implicit?
We generally are talking about what the law says about what or who you can discriminate against here, and on gender identity the law is clear, on some of the other matters it is less so.
(August 18, 2018 at 10:54 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why are they refusing to do the job? I think that if it goes against their conscience, they can refuse a job that has a message against the LGBT. A gay florist could refuse a job for a float that conveys a message they don’t agree with.
If a person came in and asked to make a birthday cake, which also conveys a message celebrating their induction into the klan, do you think a person should be able to refuse that order? Does it make a difference if the message is explicit or implicit?
Do you believe in freedom of speech only when you agree with the position?
Actually i have a very wide tolerance when it comes to freedom of speech, after all I don't have to listen to it, but again you are purposely confusing freedom of speech with freedom to act as a person wants. Otherwise can you imagine anything but chaos ?
It seems that for the left lately, that they are not against discrimination at all. It is all about who is being discriminated against. They even promote it, when it is against someone that they don't like. They point to the law only when it is on their side, and condemn it when it is not. You say you are for freedom of speech, but despite the false narrative, that is what this baker is claiming. That it is not about who, but what and why he is refusing a specific job, that conveys a specific message.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:20 am (This post was last modified: August 18, 2018 at 11:22 am by The Grand Nudger.)
@Poss
That alliance is the cost of maintaining an unrepresentative level of power in government. There aren't enough christian dominionists, by themselves, to effect the change they seek. So they have to let the deplorables into the tent and carry their baggage along the way.
OFC, if you drew a venn diagram........
@RR
You need new material.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:29 am (This post was last modified: August 18, 2018 at 11:29 am by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
Quote:It seems that for the left lately, that they are not against discrimination at all. It is all about who is being discriminated against. They even promote it, when it is against someone that they don't like. They point to the law only when it is on their side, and condemn it when it is not. You say you are for freedom of speech, but despite the false narrative, that is what this baker is claiming. That it is not about who, but what and why he is refusing a specific job, that conveys a specific message.
So - hypothetically - if this same baker were to refuse to craft a cake for a black wedding, claiming that he interprets the Bible in such a way as to believe that black people are subhuman and anathema to God - you would support him on this being a free speech issue?
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:35 am
(August 18, 2018 at 9:57 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(August 18, 2018 at 9:45 am)Divinity Wrote: Why are so many Christians bigots? I mean not all of them are, but a lot of them are. For a religion that's supposed to be about love, it's not about love at fucking all. I think it's time they start being honest in their advertising. They're a religion of hate.
I don’t hate anyone here, but I don’t suspect that you are interested in The truth, but more about propogating your false narrative.
What false narrative? If by truth, you take that as an opportunity to be all preachy, you're right, we aren't interested. But you already knew that based on the thousands of times you have been told we don't care to be preached to.
You have every right to believe in what you want and I will happily support that right any day if the week. What you don't have however, is the right to shove that belief down our throats. We just aren't interested in hearing it. Discussion is quite another thing.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:38 am
(August 18, 2018 at 11:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:It seems that for the left lately, that they are not against discrimination at all. It is all about who is being discriminated against. They even promote it, when it is against someone that they don't like. They point to the law only when it is on their side, and condemn it when it is not. You say you are for freedom of speech, but despite the false narrative, that is what this baker is claiming. That it is not about who, but what and why he is refusing a specific job, that conveys a specific message.
So - hypothetically - if this same baker were to refuse to craft a cake for a black wedding, claiming that he interprets the Bible in such a way as to believe that black people are subhuman and anathema to God - you would support him on this being a free speech issue?
Boru
Nothing unusual in the True Christian orbit about that belief. Hamites are to be subjugated. God seddso. Even the Mormon God agrees, a black skin is punishment for a misdeed made during the pre life.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:41 am
(August 18, 2018 at 11:38 am)vorlon13 Wrote:
(August 18, 2018 at 11:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: So - hypothetically - if this same baker were to refuse to craft a cake for a black wedding, claiming that he interprets the Bible in such a way as to believe that black people are subhuman and anathema to God - you would support him on this being a free speech issue?
Boru
Nothing unusual in the True Christian orbit about that belief. Hamites are to be subjugated. God seddso. Even the Mormon God agrees, a black skin is punishment for a misdeed made during the pre life.
The question wasn't for you, mate. Hush up and let the thin-skinned racist homophobe answer it. Go have some cake, God told me it's ok.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 18, 2018 at 11:44 am
Rule 34.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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