Are all religions cults?

[RoadRunner79]

Yes, so you are making a claim about reality, and saying that my beliefs don't match that.   And I think that we can discuss those disagreements and the reasons behind them civilly.   However it seems delusional to make claims, and then claim that you are not.

Edit:   And you may note, that we live in the same reality.  It is objective, and if you are making a claim about reality, then we can examine the reasons and evidence in regards to those claims.   If you are still not making claims, then I'll just dismiss this as non-sense or unjustified speculation however.

Exactly what claim am I not making?

My claim is that we apparently don't live in the same reality, your's includes a god, mine does not. I am not required to accept your reality. What other reason/evidence do you have?

Great, you'll dismiss what you can't defend to my satisfaction. If you're going to go on and on about how god is real or that supernatural is part of reality, don't bother.

We live in the same reality. One apparently where you want to make claims, but delude yourself into one where you are not.

[brewer]

We live in the same reality. One apparently where you want to make claims, but delude yourself into one where you are not.

Does god exist in your reality?

[RoadRunner79]

We live in the same reality. One apparently where you want to make claims, but delude yourself into one where you are not.

Does god exist in your reality?

There isn’t a my reality and a your reality. If God is true or not, is true for both of us.

[brewer]

Does god exist in your reality?

There isn’t a my reality and a your reality.  If God is true or not, is true for both of us.

Great, god does not exist, same reality. Discussion over. 

(don't insert true as a discussion dodge, we both know that what is considered true is subjective, that's a CS move)

[RoadRunner79]

There isn’t a my reality and a your reality.  If God is true or not, is true for both of us.

Great, god does not exist, same reality. Discussion over. 

(don't insert true as a discussion dodge, we both know that what is considered true is subjective, that's a CS move)

What is true of reality is objective. Our knowledge of that may be subjective. If you are still deluding yourself that you are not making claims after this, then I’m at a loss here. But it’s interesting that you call me deluded.... and good for a laugh(even if I feel a little sad for you)

[brewer]

Great, god does not exist, same reality. Discussion over. 

(don't insert true as a discussion dodge, we both know that what is considered true is subjective, that's a CS move)

What is true of reality is objective.  Our knowledge of that may be subjective.  If you are still deluding yourself that you are not making claims after this, then I’m at a loss here. But it’s interesting that you call me deluded.... and good for a laugh(even if I feel a little sad for you)

Great, god does not exist in reality. You've provided no evidence and you can't discuss/argue god into existence (even if you want to use the word true). Thanks.

You can think I'm sad all you want. Not going to bite. And yes, you are delusional. Thanks for the proof.

[RoadRunner79]

What is true of reality is objective.  Our knowledge of that may be subjective.  If you are still deluding yourself that you are not making claims after this, then I’m at a loss here. But it’s interesting that you call me deluded.... and good for a laugh(even if I feel a little sad for you)

Great, god does not exist in reality. You've provided no evidence and you can't discuss/argue god into existence (even if you want to use the word true). Thanks.

You can think I'm sad all you want. Not going to bite. And yes, you are delusional. Thanks for the proof.

This is not about whether God is true or not...and I’m not arguing that. I’m done here, if you are just going to twist everything and continue in these false pretenses. You seem to like your delusion (that you don’t make claims) when that is clearly not the reality.

[vulcanlogician]

[brewer]

Great, god does not exist in reality. You've provided no evidence and you can't discuss/argue god into existence (even if you want to use the word true). Thanks.

You can think I'm sad all you want. Not going to bite. And yes, you are delusional. Thanks for the proof.

This is not about whether God is true or not...and I’m not arguing that.  I’m done here, if you are just going to twist everything and continue in these false pretenses. You seem to like your delusion (that you don’t make claims) when that is clearly not the reality.

Nope, never said I don't make claims. You said I make claims and then deny them. I've denied nothing. No wonder you're backing out. 

I've not twisted a thing. You made the twist attempts that were thwarted, twice. (trying to use true, altering your original brewer "claims" position)

Original claim: god does not exist in reality (I gave a definition that I accept). Those who believe he does exist in reality I consider delusional. 

Nice try at baiting again. You can call me delusional all you want, but saying it's because I don't make claims or deny my claims is false. 

You know that this evasion/changing/back peddling/false assertion is a known MO of yours, right?

[I_am_not_mafia]

FFS religionists are all the same. They can't argue about the OP so they come in and immediately derail the thread about something completely unrelated.

Getting back to the OP, roadrunner, would you call The Last Reformation a cult?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Torben_S%C3%B8ndergaard

For me TLR epitomises how murky these definitions are, because it's not a cult in the traditional sense where everybody is hanging on one single leader's word, yet it has all the other characteristics of one.