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[Gawdzilla Sama]

Brother Sam Singleton's grandfather died handling snakes. Same was a teen when he watched this.

I've lost a few distant relatives to snakes, mostly among the "never set foot on asphalt" crowd.

[Drich]

Citations, please.

And BTW you have the same literal and ignorant approach to scripture as the very people you ridicule for having a literal and ignorant approach to scripture.

"Citations, please." and then you proceed the next sentence completely aware that these people exist and compare me with them for taking Bible "too literal", while your beloved Drich takes Bible so literal that he thinks universe is 6000 years old, that humans lived with dinosaurs on the ark during the world wide flood and all other nonsense from the Bible - but yeah I'm problematic.

Two things what is with the double standard? can your own hypocrisy not withstand your own supposed checks and balances? Can't you provide information on the same level that you demand it?

Like for instance you complete misrepresentation of my beliefs. you are so lazy you just assume my position despite me spending hours in debate with your betters concerning our origins. In that It is my belief because there is no time line established between the end of genesis 2 which marks the end of the garden narrative (which occurred on day 3 and all creation in chapter 2 was garden only and performed by Christ) and chapter 3 the fall of man which happened 6000 years ago. evolution and everything science has to say could have very well happened between genesis chapter 2 and genesis chapter 3. the world can be as old as you douche bags say it is and it does not change the literal seven day creation narrative set in genesis.

I simply believe man created in the garden was exiled 6000 years ago to live along side evolved man created day 6 according to chapter 1 who evolved with the rest of the planet while the garden was kept seperate.

See what prayer does? it answers little problems like this and does not change a letter of the bible or anything you douche bags believe. It simply give understanding of the things we kept in the dark.

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googled snake handling deaths I got a 2018 story on a 2014 event and the guy lived... where are you getting this mountain of people dying because of snake handling.

I don't vouch for the accuracy of this information, but Wikipedia lists the following in their article on Snake Handling. Not exactly a mountain of people dying, but -- if accurate -- a bunch of completely unnecessary deaths, nonetheless:

• The first report of a death from a serpent bite occurred in 1922 at the Church of God Evangel.[55]
  
  
• In 1955, George Went Hensley, the founder of modern snake handling in the Appalachian Mountains, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service in Altha, Florida.[7][56][57]
  
  
• In 1961, Columbia Chafin Hagerman died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Church of the Lord Jesus, Jolo, West Virginia.[52][58][59]
  
  
• In 1967, Jean Saylor, wife of a snake-handling preacher, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake in Bell County, Kentucky.[60]
  
  
• In 1982, Rev John Holbrook died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at the Lord Jesus Church in Jesus' Name in Mullensville, West Virginia.[61][62][63][64][65]
  
  
• In 1983, Mack Ray Wolford died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Lord Jesus Temple in Mile Branch, near Iaeger, West Virginia.[63][65][66][67]
  
  
• In 1995, Melinda Brown from Parrottsville, Tennessee died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name in Middlesboro, Kentucky.[30][37][47][68][69]
  
  
• In 1995, Kale Saylor (husband of Jean), a Pentecostal preacher, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at a church in Crockett, Kentucky.[60]
  
  
• In 1997, Daril Colins died after being bitten by a snake during a service in Bell County, Kentucky.[60]
  
  
• In 1998, John Wayne "Punkin" Brown (husband of Melinda), a snake-handling evangelist, died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Rock House Holiness Church in rural northeastern Alabama.[37][70]
  
  
• In 2004, Dwayne Long, a Pentecostal pastor, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service in Jonesville, Virginia.[71][72][73]
  
  
• In 2006, Linda Long died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at East London Holiness Church, London, Kentucky.[45][74][75][76]
  
  
• In 2012, Mark Randall "Mack" Wolford (son of Mack), a Pentecostal pastor, died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake while officiating at an outdoor service at Panther Wildlife Management Area, West Virginia.[67][77]
  
  
• In 2014, Jamie Coots died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name in Middlesboro, Kentucky.[40][69][78] Coots starred in the TV series Snake Salvation and his death was widely reported.[79]
  
  
• In 2015, John Brock died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at Mossie Simpson Pentecostal Church in Jenson, Kentucky.[46][80][81][82]
  

so 14 people in 70+ years...

Isn't that a far cry from fakers claim of people dying all the time? more people died in the last hurricane by almost double. why make such a dubious claim?

[Neo-Scholastic]

-delete- Drich has already refuted.

[Crossless2.0]

Drich has some batshit ideas, but he isn't a YEC. That trope needs to die.

I know he doesn't accept biological evolution so what is he?

He reads Genesis in such a way as to allow for the possibility of an extremely ancient creation event (billions of years ago), followed by a long period in which evolution may (or may not) have taken place. He has often written about precursors of modern, "soul-endowed" humans who were genetically human but lacked souls themselves, and he considers the story of the garden as continuing the creation account by focusing exclusively on the fate of humans at a particular period of history, when "Adam and Eve" began the time of god-breathed, ensouled people. For Drich, there is a sharp division in focus between the creation account in Genesis and the narrative of the garden, and this frequently results in threads getting sidetracked for pages because he and his interlocutors are talking past one another.

Of course, Drich is free to correct my characterization if it is wrong.

[Drich]

Drich has some batshit ideas, but he isn't a YEC. That trope needs to die.

I know he doesn't accept biological evolution so what is he?

you'd be wrong..

God literally showed me a way that both works seamlessly.

[Crossless2.0]

so 14 people in 70+ years...

Isn't that a far cry from fakers claim of people dying all the time? more people died in the last hurricane by almost double. why make such a dubious claim?

It wasn't my claim. Yes, it's a far cry from "mountains" of deaths, but it is pretty fucking stupid to handle poisonous snakes because an old book tells you that you can.

[RoadRunner79]

Even today, Americans are dying because these verses are in the Bible.

Citations, please.

And BTW you have the same literal and ignorant approach to scripture as the very people you ridicule for having a literal and ignorant approach to scripture.

In the early Church and history of Christianity, prayer isn’t considered a Genie’s lamp.

[Fake Messiah]

can your own hypocrisy not withstand your own supposed checks and balances? Can't you provide information on the same level that you demand it?

LOL we all provide information on this forum but you & NC showed what you do with that information: ignore it because you are afraid it will destroy your religion. We cover children dying because of their parents religion all the time but you are clueless because you ignore those sections of forum.

Here are few recent

Wisconsin parents arrested after teen son dies during religious fast, police say
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/04/par...-fast.html

The case of a Michigan couple charged in the death of their 10-month-old daughter is bringing to light a debate about withholding medical care because of religious beliefs.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/31/643407967...7286889708

Newborn dies because religious parents don't believe in medical care. Now they're headed to jail
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/newb...ed-to-jail

The parents of a 2-year-old Pennsylvania girl who died of pneumonia have been convicted of involuntary manslaughter after prosecutors said they declined to seek medical care for the child on religious grounds.
https://abc13.com/parents-convicted-in-g...a/3257601/

"I simply believe man created in the garden was exiled 6000 years ago to live along side evolved man created day 6 according to chapter 1 who evolved with the rest of the planet while the garden was kept seperate.

LOL what a difference.

[Drich]

I know he doesn't accept biological evolution so what is he?

He reads Genesis in such a way as to allow for the possibility of an extremely ancient creation event (billions of years ago), followed by a long period in which evolution may (or may not) have taken place. He has often written about precursors of modern, "soul-endowed" humans who were genetically human but lacked souls themselves, and he considers the story of the garden as continuing the creation account by focusing exclusively on the fate of humans at a particular period of history, when "Adam and Eve" began the time of god-breathed, ensouled people. For Drich, there is a sharp division in focus between Gen. chapters 1 and 2, and this frequently results in threads getting sidetracked for pages because he and his interlocutors are talking past one another.

Of course, Drich is free to correct my characterization if it is wrong.

holy crap someone IS listening.. for the most part.

I've been working with some christian types to help me simplify it.

genesis 1 God the father's 7 day literal creation. important note... man made in the image of God happens day 6, God the father told THEM to go out and fill the planet. Genesis 2 starts out by seperating it self, it starts day 3.5 and the creator here is Jehovah/yhwh/Jesus He created Adam and breaths a soul into him. The father did not do this with day 6 man. Then Jesus creates the garden and everything in it and put adam in charge of the garden. everything you read from 2 to the end of the exodus of the garden is garden narrative only. 

Adam and Eve were immortal

There was no time line between the end of the creation of the garden and the fall of man which is gen 3. So between gen 2 and gen 3 all of evolution could have taken place. then 6000 years ago (how far the genealogies take us back, and subsequently why the YEC's believe in the 6000 year old earth/because they think the fall happened right after the 7 day creation, which is foolish because there is NOTHING to indicate otherwise) Adam and eve were expelled from the garden into man's world where there were cities and people who had evolved from day 6 forward.

This answers all of the paradoxes you people like to bring up as well. Who did Adam's children marry, where did the city of nod come from, why is there so much bio diversity if we all came from adam and eve. ect...

God gave this to me in pieces over a 10 or 15 min session of literal pictures/visions. (out of sequence) I have been able to refine it over time.

Adam's descendants have souls 6th day man's people did not. they did have fully functional minds, spirits and fully capable every other way. they were meant as breeding stock for Adam's descendants, but according to Noah's story corrupt angels mixed in making titans (Which honestly I think is where we get so many false god accounts) then God uses the flood to take out everything but the descendants of Adam, leaving only people with souls to inhabit the earth.

The flood was not just about killing mean men, but hybrids and embodied demons. (An evil unlike anything this world has ever known since)

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so 14 people in 70+ years...

Isn't that a far cry from fakers claim of people dying all the time? more people died in the last hurricane by almost double. why make such a dubious claim?

It wasn't my claim. Yes, it's a far cry from "mountains" of deaths, but it is pretty fucking stupid to handle poisonous snakes because an old book tells you that you can.

the book does not give instructions on how to do it.. stupid people make up their own rituals that have nothing to do with what is written. IT says nothing about not usings safe snake handling tools, or gloves or even a snare pole. is it stupid to handle a snake with the proper tools? the bible does not say they can not be used. it just says people can pick up poisonous snakes. Fools who persume to know the mind of God are the ones who think God is going to cast a spell on them or the snake... no where does it say that and they deserve to be bitten and die for putting those words in God's mouth.

Can i pickup a poisonous snake? I have with a snare pole and gloves. I also picked one up with out any of that, but I had removed it's head with a shovel first. again the bible doesn't say you can't do that. People fill in their own blanks and pretend it is the word of God. this is the exact opposite of what I do and try and teach you all from doing here.

[The Grand Nudger]

People fill in their own blanks and pretend it is the word of God.

Ya don't say.....

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