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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(October 7, 2018 at 12:04 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (October 7, 2018 at 11:30 am)Mathilda Wrote: No. It's often the Xtians that refer to hate. Whether it's because they hold up signs saying God Hates Fags, or videos like my brother made who talks about God absolutely hating sin.
The word is most often first used by Xtians I find. I'm wondering why this is.
I’ve never made any signs. However hating a thing, is not the same as hating a person. And even then, I would suggest looking into exactly what they mean by the word.
But it's still hate.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 12:12 pm
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(October 7, 2018 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: Just a mythological version of Coke vs Pepsi vs Dr Pepper, all sodas.
"Hate the sin, fuck the sinner." I think that's how it goes.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 12:27 pm
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(October 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (October 7, 2018 at 12:04 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I’ve never made any signs. However hating a thing, is not the same as hating a person. And even then, I would suggest looking into exactly what they mean by the word.
But it's still hate.
Are you saying that a person cannot hate anything? What about when someone is doing something morally wrong? Can they hate the thing that they are doing? Are you saying that you don't have any hate in these things you brought up (either for the person or the thing they are doing)? I think that you may be oversimplifying things a bit; and just focusing on the word hate, while loosing context.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 12:42 pm
(October 7, 2018 at 12:27 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (October 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)Mathilda Wrote: But it's still hate.
Are you saying that a person cannot hate anything? What about when someone is doing something morally wrong? Can they hate the thing that they are doing? Are you saying that you don't have any hate in these things you brought up (either for the person or the thing they are doing)? I think that you may be oversimplifying things a bit; and just focusing on the word hate, while loosing context.
"Are you saying" you don't do enough strawman arguments?
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 12:49 pm
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(October 7, 2018 at 12:27 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (October 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)Mathilda Wrote: But it's still hate.
Are you saying that a person cannot hate anything? What about when someone is doing something morally wrong? Can they hate the thing that they are doing? Are you saying that you don't have any hate in these things you brought up (either for the person or the thing they are doing)? I think that you may be oversimplifying things a bit; and just focusing on the word hate, while loosing context.
I'm saying that in my experience, zealous Xtians seem to be more full of hate, and to use the word more freely than normal people. And I am wondering why.
And when someone is doing something morally wrong, more liberally minded people generally prefer to try and understand why rather than hate the person.
Hate is a very strong emotion. It's not the same as being uncomfortable or not liking something.
And the bible uses the word hate a lot. So maybe this is the reason? Maybe Xtians aren't actually full of hate but are using a word that has been chosen as part of a translation?
I am happy to accept that may be the case. But seeing what the Xtians on this forum say and how they act, I am not convinced that it can be so easily explained away.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 1:02 pm
(October 7, 2018 at 10:42 am)Mathilda Wrote: Obviously not all of them. Some are just default Xtians who happen to have been raised in a country where Xtianity is the predominant religion. But I mean that ones who take it seriously. So many of them are full of hatred or ascribe this emotion to their god. God hates sin, homosexuals or anything or anyone not like them. Why is this?
We're all familiar with the concept of a hateful Muslim in the same way, and although evangelical Xtians don't threaten to cut heads off unbelievers, it's not much better as a woman when you hear how they want to remove your bodily autonomy. Or the insidious conditioning of children where they instil a fear of hell into them.
Yet each one of these hateful Xtians will claim that their religion and their god is one of love. The double speak is of 1984-esque proportions.
The only thing I can see that is common to many of the hateful Xtians is lack of empathy.
I think it has to do with fear being a basic tenet of Xtianity. How many times have I heard I should become Xtian "just to play it safe". Hell is a fearful place, so become a Xtian. That seems to be the primary argument used, rather than love or compassion.
Fear and hate are intertwined primal instincts and lower brain functions. They don't involve reason. One quickly learns to hate what one fears. So Xtian leaders commonly use fear in their sermons. Sometimes it's disguised, but often it's blatant. Either way, it's a common propaganda technique. Fear and hate are also known to be the most powerful motivators. So if the goal is to acquire more followers, fear and hate are most effective.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 2:57 pm
If they're a true believer then maybe they emphasize the parts where Jesus was angry and think they have a good reason. Another thing that used to annoy me about some Christians was a fake happiness they tried to display to be a good representative of how great the Christian life is.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 3:17 pm
(October 7, 2018 at 11:30 am)Mathilda Wrote: (October 7, 2018 at 11:10 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It’s not hate (for many). I’m thinking you are confusing standing up for right and wrong as hate. Or perhaps this is just your own hate and intolerance being reflected.
No. It's often the Xtians that refer to hate. Whether it's because they hold up signs saying God Hates Fags, or videos like my brother made who talks about God absolutely hating sin.
The word is most often first used by Xtians I find. I'm wondering why this is.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 3:30 pm
(October 7, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (October 7, 2018 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: Just a mythological version of Coke vs Pepsi vs Dr Pepper, all sodas.
"Hate the sin, fuck the sinner." I think that's how it goes.
This is what I get for asking a godlless heathen to help me get home after a hurricane.
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RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
October 7, 2018 at 6:07 pm
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Quote:Are you saying that a person cannot hate anything? What about when someone is doing something morally wrong? Can they hate the thing that they are doing? Are you saying that you don't have any hate in these things you brought up (either for the person or the thing they are doing)? I think that you may be oversimplifying things a bit; and just focusing on the word hate, while loosing context.
Nope calling things like homosexuality wrong is hate and yes you are filled with hate for hating something that isn't wrong
Quote:It’s not hate (for many). I’m thinking you are confusing standing up for right and wrong as hate. Or perhaps this is just your own hate and intolerance being reflected.
Simply calling it wrong is hate and no stranding up to your hate is not intolerance
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