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Beating women in Islam
#11
RE: Beating women in Islam
Yet another example of how religion poisons everything.  You made a post, on these boards..about how beating a bitch who won't do what you say is totes cool..if you tell her three times. 

JUSTICE!

I love the quranic flowchart of conflict resolution within a committed relationship. Shame her, withhold the peener, and then slap her around.
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#12
RE: Beating women in Islam
Quote:Arabian tribalism is the vicious culture in regards of treating women; not Islam.

Xhristards and jews treat women like shit when they can get away with it and it has nothing to do with Arabian tribalism.  Religion is the problem.  Not the particular variant you choose to follow.
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#13
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 4:23 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Any man who tries to hit me for ANY reason will get a close encounter of the knee kind to the groin.

Fighting with hands is more honorable for a Valkyrie. Don't abuse men's natural weaknesses and seek a fair fight.

Fuck the gender crap. 

In reality, if someone male or female, or between two males or between two females. IF someone is fearing for their life, and I don't mean merely pissed off that someone offended them, but if one seriously feels like someone else is out to severely hurt them or kill them, yea, I'd kick you in your fucking nuts, I'd bite you, I would do anything I needed to to save my own life.

Atlass, you like many Christians and many Jews and many Hindu and Buddhist men, YOU ALL NEED TO GROW THE FUCK UP!

Religion wont go away no. But it is way past time that the men in the world stop this bullshit that it is their role to do this or that, or that women do this or that.

Your penis isn't what makes you great, your actions while you are alive do. All having a penis means is that you produce sperm. It doesn't make you better than a female.
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#14
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:19 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Yet another example of how religion poisons everything.  You made a post, on these boards..about how beating a bitch who won't do what you say is totes cool..if you tell her three times. 

JUSTICE!

I love the quranic flowchart of conflict resolution within a committed relationship.  Shame her, withhold the peener, and then slap her around.

I really would like to know if you're ignoring posts on intention.
My OP says:


Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:

Abul Ala Maududi(With tafsir)
https://quran.com/5/45?translations=

(5:45) And therein We had ordained for them: 'A life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and for all wounds, like for like.
4 But whosoever forgoes it by way of charity, it will be for him an expiation.5 Those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are indeed the wrong-doers.

We must apply this verse upon ourselves too. We can't take a part of the Quran and neglect the other part.
So this should make the "wife beating" urban legend clear: it is a very fair sentence in a religion that teaches justice, an eye for an eye, but also teaches that forgoing and forgiving is a very noble thing.

Thank you.
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#15
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:42 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 5:19 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Yet another example of how religion poisons everything.  You made a post, on these boards..about how beating a bitch who won't do what you say is totes cool..if you tell her three times. 

JUSTICE!

I love the quranic flowchart of conflict resolution within a committed relationship.  Shame her, withhold the peener, and then slap her around.

I really would like to know if you're ignoring posts on intention.
My OP says:


Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:

Abul Ala Maududi(With tafsir)
https://quran.com/5/45?translations=

(5:45) And therein We had ordained for them: 'A life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and for all wounds, like for like.
4 But whosoever forgoes it by way of charity, it will be for him an expiation.5 Those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are indeed the wrong-doers.

We must apply this verse upon ourselves too. We can't take a part of the Quran and neglect the other part.
So this should make the "wife beating" urban legend clear: it is a very fair sentence in a religion that teaches justice, an eye for an eye, but also teaches that forgoing and forgiving is a very noble thing.

Thank you.

We know what your OP says.

The same thing Christians say, the same thin Jews say, the same thing Hindus say, the same thing Buddhists say.

"I got it right"

"My holy writing says"

"My holy person says"

"My holy hero says"

We hear you Atlass. But just like the Division of Motor vehicles, when you are in line to take a driver's test, "Get in line, take a number".
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#16
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Arabian tribalism is the vicious culture in regards of treating women; not Islam.

Xhristards and jews treat women like shit when they can get away with it and it has nothing to do with Arabian tribalism.  Religion is the problem.  Not the particular variant you choose to follow.

Christian and Jewish texts involve explicit verses that say women are lesser than men, and give men superiority over women too.
But I can't say the same about the Quran. The sects of Islam that believe women are lesser, are the same sects that believe in Hadith books and sources other than the Quran.
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#17
RE: Beating women in Islam
Atlas, you are acting as if people live like what is written in that stupid, fucking book.  They don't.  They do what the fuck they want and then, just as you are doing now, say "but look at what our holy horseshit says.  It tells us not to do that."

Who the fuck cares what it says?  You don't live up to it any more than xhristards do with theirs.  Too bad the Crusades weren't fought with modern weapons.  They might have done some good cutting both sides down.
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#18
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Fighting with hands is more honorable for a Valkyrie. Don't abuse men's natural weaknesses and seek a fair fight.

Fuck the gender crap. 

In reality, if someone male or female, or between two males or between two females. IF someone is fearing for their life, and I don't mean merely pissed off that someone offended them, but if one seriously feels like someone else is out to severely hurt them or kill them, yea, I'd kick you in your fucking nuts, I'd bite you, I would do anything I needed to to save my own life.

Atlass, you like many Christians and many Jews and many Hindu and Buddhist men, YOU ALL NEED TO GROW THE FUCK UP!

Religion wont go away no. But it is way past time that the men in the world stop this bullshit that it is their role to do this or that, or that women do this or that.

Your penis isn't what makes you great, your actions while you are alive do. All having a penis means is that you produce sperm. It doesn't make you better than a female.

Yes ! of course it's not "the penis" that make us great, but it's mentioned in the Quran very very obviously:


Quote:Sahih International
Sura 49, The Quran:

(13) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
[url=https://quran.com/49/13-18?translations=20][/url]

Literally this verse is saying what you're saying about the gender being obsolete in judging who's better, but it's the "morals" or "righteousness" that matters
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#19
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Xhristards and jews treat women like shit when they can get away with it and it has nothing to do with Arabian tribalism.  Religion is the problem.  Not the particular variant you choose to follow.

Christian and Jewish texts involve explicit verses that say women are lesser than men, and give men superiority over women too.
But I can't say the same about the Quran. The sects of Islam that believe women are lesser, are the same sects that believe in Hadith books and sources other than the Quran.

Uggggggggg!

If the Koran were so perfect in it's instructions there would be no need for a supplemental book, nor would there be more than one sect. Just like with Jews, you would not have liberal Jews and conservative Jews. You would not have Obama voting Baptists and Trump voting conservative Baptists. You wouldn't have Tibet Buddhists and Chinese Buddhists and Japanese Shinto Buddhists.

If any religion in the world were a cure for humanity, then why are there so many, and so many with sub sects of the same umbrella labels?

BECAUSE humans stupidly think that their religion, their sect is the correct morality. Sunnis and Shiites think that, Baptists and Catholics and Mormons think that, Conservative Jews and Liberal Jews think that.

Me, I'd like all religious people to consider that our ability to be cruel or compassionate ISNT in the old mythology of antiquity, but in our GENES, IN OUR DNA.

Maybe it isn't the Hadiths, or the Koran, or the Bible or Torah or the Hindu Vedas......... MAYBE humans do good as individuals because they are good individuals. Maybe humans do bad as individuals because they are bad individuals? Maybe humans don't need holy books and only think they do?
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#20
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 5:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Atlas, you are acting as if people live like what is written in that stupid, fucking book.  They don't.  They do what the fuck they want and then, just as you are doing now, say "but look at what our holy horseshit says.  It tells us not to do that."

Who the fuck cares what it says?  You don't live up to it any more than xhristards do with theirs.  Too bad the Crusades weren't fought with modern weapons.  They might have done some good cutting both sides down.

It's all about the purpose we live for, that's the fuel for believing in such a book. That's why I always saw that an authentic book that deserve to be adapted is a book that tells me to let people live as they want, and it does.

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2/256?translations=

Sahih International

(256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.


That kind of freedom is the main fuel, Minimalist.
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