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Beating women in Islam
#31
RE: Beating women in Islam
Quote:It's all about the purpose we live for, that's the fuel for believing in such a book.

People can believe whatever they fuck they want.  I judge them by what they do.

And in that, islam comes up short.... just like all the other holy horseshitters.
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#32
RE: Beating women in Islam
That piece of apologia leaves me perplexed.

It's ok for men to have the authorisation to beat women because men are supposed to protect them...from men? That's a very stupid justification. In the end, men beat women and that's the problem. I have a big problem with people who beat women and I have a big problem with people who don't beat women, but spend time trying to find excuses to for those who do. What's so complicated with don't beat women. If they don't want to do what you want them to do convince them using words and arguments. If it fails, maybe you are simply wrong and accept the fact that they don't have to obey you. Apparently that was too revolutionnary for abrahamic religions.
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#33
RE: Beating women in Islam


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#34
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 6:36 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Fighting with hands is more honorable for a Valkyrie. Don't abuse men's natural weaknesses and seek a fair fight.

You said it yourself, men are physically stronger.

If I have to take advantage of different tactics to defend myself, I'll do it.  It's more dishonourable to allow some primitive to hit or possibly kill you without defending yourself.

You have to:

1-learn kickboxing
2-get a taser

People and especially women underestimate what a punch can do to a face. combined with a zip gun, you have a the tools to bring any human down..imagine if the assaulting prick is a woman; I don't think kicks to the vagina hurt like kicks to the balls !

(October 11, 2018 at 6:38 pm)wyzas Wrote: Why the fuck is this even a topic?

Oh, religion. Screw yourself god.

Ask the boyfriends and couples who beat the shit out of each other.
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#35
RE: Beating women in Islam
You know, we have a joke in the US, that I think you'd like.    What do you tell a bitch with a black eye?  Nothing you haven't already told her twice.

Praise Allah!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#36
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 6:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 4:03 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is no doubt that humanity through its history faced a civil war between the both variations of humans: males and females.
It was mostly a male dominated war with men winning time after time due to their numbers and having higher muscle percentage.

But why does the Quran gives permission for men to hit their wives ? notice that I used the word "wives" and not the word "women".
The verse which gave the permission says:



The original Arabic word for "protectors and maintainers" is "Qawamoon قوامون", so you can google that up to make sure I didn't play or change the translation.

So it makes total sense that due to God's gifting men and males with the gift of bigger muscle index and strength and making the spending of money on the mate falling on their hands most of the time, they are the protectors and maintainers of women. Of course, even historically wars are dominated by men, and almost by 99.9999999 % husbands go to battlefields to protect their wives.

The verse then speaks about women who rebel against their husbands; and goes to define 3 levels of rebellion:

1-The first is dealt with by admonishing.
2-The second is dealt with by abandoning the wife in bed
3-The third is dealt with by beating.

But we know from this verse that to take somebody's eye out, he must take yours first as this verse says:


We must apply this verse upon ourselves too. We can't take a part of the Quran and neglect the other part.
So this should make the "wife beating" urban legend clear: it is a very fair sentence in a religion that teaches justice, an eye for an eye, but also teaches that forgoing and forgiving is a very noble thing.

There is a strong wing that uses women's misery across history to turn females into wax dolls; making $$ out of their bodies from porn industries to feminism. Fooling the masses by nude parades, while Nicola and Bart get executed for being anarchists.

Let's rise to the occasion and start to look at women as peoples; not children.

You could have shortened this a whole lot by just typing, 'God told me it was OK to beat my wife.'

Fuck you.

Boru

No, what I said was literally this:

"If a wife beat her husband, her husband can beat her back with the same amount and magnitude, or forgive her for what she did".
Isn't that the normal thing you would do to anybody in the street?

What if your wife went ape shit and came at you with a baseball bat? and she gave it to you, breaking a bone or two? wouldn't you fight back?

But if a woman I love slapped me, or punched me because she's emotional and can't control it, I would forgive and try to be helpful.
And I assure you, God will not forget that I did.
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#37
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 12, 2018 at 4:22 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No, what I said was literally this:

"If a wife beat her husband, her husband can beat her back with the same amount and magnitude, or forgive her for what she did".
Isn't that the normal thing you would do to anybody in the street?
LOL....no.  I'm not gonna beat the shit out of some rando -or- forgive that rando for hitting me. The former is how you end up in jail with him, the latter is just silly.

Quote:What if your wife went ape shit and came at you with a baseball bat? and she gave it to you, breaking a bone or two? wouldn't you fight back?
Well, obviously, I'd throw her to the ground and then bludgeon her to death with the bat.  Allah Akbar!

Jerkoff

Quote:But if a woman I love slapped me, or punched me because she's emotional and can't control it, I would forgive and try to be helpful.
And I assure you, God will not forget that I did.
Aren't you such a swell guy, but you do have that whole "god told me I could beat you" in your back pocket, for when she starts acting up.

I'd really like to think that islam is the only thing that's wrong with you, such that it leads you to come here and post this sort of shit..but I have doubts. If you were an american christian, you'd probably be treating us to the same wife beating apologism.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#38
RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 6:50 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 5:42 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I really would like to know if you're ignoring posts on intention.
Oh stop, magic books tells you that beating a women on the third go is permissible, and then..you know, makes the caveat that a nice guy probably wouldn't do it.

Yathink?

It's not the nice guys looking at magic book going "see!....see!" though, now is it.  Go fuck yourself with this dishonest shit, like always, lol.  Your religion is barbaric, you're so adept at picking out barbarity to make excuses for because you know precisely where to find it in magic book.  You want your religion to be less of a trashheap, you want magic book to be less of a hatescreed?  Get the fucking whiteout, go, do it.  Fix the word of god and stop bullshitting us, or yourself.  

Say it with me -  "allah didn't tell anyone they could beat their wives..that was some human asshole who wanted to beat his wife, what said that"

Jerkoff

No, it says that we have 3 levels of rebellion: the last is when the wife resort to physical abuse. When she does that, allowance is given to return the beating.

And just like it is defined in another page in the same book, it's an eye for an eye. So if your wife threw a shoe at you, you throw a shoe: you don't punch. Eye for and eye.
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#39
RE: Beating women in Islam
LOL.   Why three, why not two or four?  Is five right out? Magic number?  

Who the fuck cares, you're just giving us a procedural on god sponsored wife beating. Throwing a shoe...what the actual fuck. You know who throws a shoe at someone, because that person threw a shoe at them? Children. Your gods "perfect justice" is as well developed as an angry toddlers need for revenge. You ask us these questions in a way that exposes how obvious you think your pet answer is, you assume that we all think this way.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#40
RE: Beating women in Islam
See this in edge cases: https://atheistforums.org/thread-55162.html
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