Beating women in Islam

[The Grand Nudger]

Excellent, now we'll be treated to a discussion of whether beating your wife in the allah approved manner  is righteous and just...or that it should be memory holed from the magic book that contains no errors..and the religion altogether.

LOL, islam is ridiculous, how do you two manage to believe this shit? It sounds like alot of work.

[Mystic]

I mistranslated a part of what I meant to translated as "do not talk to them (About it)".


Men regarding women are (to be) up lifters (moral support) by which God has cause some of them to excel others and by what they spend of their money, the good women therefore obedient (to God), guarding the hidden as God has guarded and those who you fear disloyalty (instead of acting on fear),do not talk to them (about it) and leave them (alone about this) in the beds and (continue to) have intercourse with them


What supports this, is the following:

Many hadiths that say never to try to discipline a human by beating or hurting them.
Many hadiths that forbid beating wives.
A verse in Quran says not to treat your wives unkindly.

Aside from that, is verses teaching not act on suspicion and here it says "fear" and not "know".

And so if a wife obeys a husband as far the commands husband has a right to command, it says to not impose this fear they may have upon them. Going back to the beginning of the verse, it's defining men to be moral supports or lifters regarding women, that they bring them up and not down, and so this is saying, so in this regard, if you fear rebellion from them, don't act on your fear and don't impose your suspicion on them, instead don't talk to them about it, leave them in their bedrooms regarding it, and continue to have intercourse.

[The Grand Nudger]

Many hadiths say -  so...it sounds like they were reading magic book, saw the wifebeating bit, and went, "wait, wtf, nah".

Word of god, indeed.

I like this new islamic conflict resolution scheme. Don't talk to your disobediant wife...but still, ofc, demand your conjugal rights. How's that work...you walk into the bedroom and point at your dick, or what? Just hatefuck the shit out of her..in silence?

[robvalue]

If the book said to just beat the shit out of every woman you see for no reason, would Muslims do that? If not, then the book cannot be so magic and its authority is contingent upon already agreeing with its contents.

[Mystic]

Many hadiths say -  so...it sounds like they were reading magic book, saw the wifebeating bit, and went, "wait, wtf, nah".

Word of god, indeed.

As God would expect humans to do, and so the word tharaba should be interpreted in the same way when it says "and when you touched women" even though that line is always seen as an expression of intercourse, tharaba should be seen in that light, and God created males and females, and so he expects us to interpret his words in the best positive manner on how to relate to each other.

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If the book said to just beat the shit out of every woman you see for no reason, would Muslims do that? If not, then the book cannot be so magic and its authority is contingent upon already agreeing with its contents.

The moral and signs of the book cannot go against proven and clear signs within the soul, Muslims would be obligated to reject that verse in this case, just as Christians and Jews were expected to leave the parts of their scriptures that contradicted reason and morality.

[The Grand Nudger]

Your boyfriend has lots of expectations for others but no sense of personal accountability.

Maybe he should write some shit that makes some sense, to begin with?

[Mystic]

Many hadiths say -  so...it sounds like they were reading magic book, saw the wifebeating bit, and went, "wait, wtf, nah".

Word of god, indeed.

I like this new islamic conflict resolution scheme.  Don't talk to your disobediant wife...but still, ofc, demand your conjugal rights.  How's that work...you walk into the bedroom and point at your dick, or what?  Just hatefuck the shit out of her..in silence?

It doesn't mean not to talk to them at all, it means to not to bring this issue up, the fear of disloyalt, ie. don't talk to them about your fear of them being disloyal to you sexually.

[The Grand Nudger]

Solving your problems by avoiding their utterance.  Right, sounds legit.  Certainly, the creator of the human mind would know that this is the very best way to deal with marital disputes and suspicion of infidelity.

In summary, thusfar, one of you tells us that god says it's okay to beat your wife on the third time, the other..that gods an idiot who doesn't know shit about people.

I'm inclined to think that you can both be right, on this one. Your shared god was an idiot who didn't know shit about people, and that's probably -why- he thought it was okay to hit the bitch if she said no one too many times.

[Mystic]

Solving your problems by avoiding their utterance.  Right, sounds legit.  Certainly, the creator of the human mind would know that this is the very best way to deal with marital disputes and suspicion of infidelity.

If you suspect it, the Quran advise seems to be:

1. Don't talk to them about it.
2. Certainly leave them concerning this in the bedroom.
3. Continue to have intercourse.

Then says so if they continue to obey you (that is they seek your permission on where they want to go) then do not seek a way against them.

Men have two rights to command a wife per Shariah as far hadiths go:

1. Commanding to have intercourse (a woman must respond).
2. In forbidding them to go to a certain place (a women cannot go to places without her husband permission).

So it's saying if they she obeys in these two commands, never, ever, impose your doubts and suspicions upon her.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hahahahahahaha...and if she doesn't? If she says. "No, I'm not going to fuck you, you're gross..and I AM TOO going to Becky's, BYE!" - what then?

Why do I get the feeling that neither of these motherfuckers has spent any time with a female, beyond their mother......and you have to wonder about that relationship, even? If moms walked in on somebody saying shit like this, the son they raised..do they fall to the ground and praise allah, too, super proud mamas?