For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution

[android17ak47]

This is something I posted today on youtube videos where Christians have defended creationism but attributes evolution to his creation, as well as the big bang. Religious folks have no business using receant discoveries that contradict the claims in genesis. Either you trust what the prophets and patriarchs said about god having revealed to them, or dont trust them at all which means you have noone to trust from ancient days who claimed he exists and told them so. If you cant trust everything these people in the bible said, then you cant say the god that told them these things even exists because you rely on thier word that the god of the hebrews exists, and exists alone as a god and no other.

Here's my comment I left on the videos. How can you honestly argue with this? If you can, ide love to hear your reply.

"sorry but no, the god of the hebrews cannot recant the genesis account.

The fact of the matter is that the men in ancient days who want the rest of us to believe in the version of the god they alone spoke to, say this imaginary proprietary god for the jews told them it happened that way as depicted in genesis. if any other religion who's god claimed creationism were to say it happened any other way, christians muslims and jews would jump all over thier case to say that thier errors inscripture proves thier god doesnt exist or else thier prophets wouldnt make errors in judgement when providing fallible details about creation.

You dont get to recant what was said in genesis. People depend on the people in old days who had visions of this god to know if this god exists or not, and look at what they say this god whispered in  thier ears alone. this god that only the jews knew about and worshipped is a false one and the scriptures written prove this god never existed and told anybody anything. it was dellusional human beings hallucenating this shit up, and as smart as we think we are in the 21st century, we are still gullible enough as a species to accept superstition, and it seems the jewish brand of superstition rules the world.

If in the future a new religion arises and with a new version of god who gets credit for creation, and attributes evolution and big bang to the creation, then a few hundred years go by and the religion grows expedentially, humans will favor this religion because the believers will convince others of this god because of the accuracy of this god's creation story, and the followers will assume this god had actually been around longer than when the religion was created on record, and the religion's who's scriptures include the jhebrew god will die off in favor of the one who's god did it the way nature seems to have done it.

its the a, b, c's of creating a religion. You attribute your claims of this god's creation to common knowledge of the time. Just like everybody back in the days genesis was wrote believed the earth was flat, you get books like job that will say the earth was shaped like a clay under a seal, which is flat and circular, and that god will shake his enemies off of it, which was believed back in the day that people could fall off the flat earth's edges, and that the earth stands on pillars. This was "common knowledge" back in those days everywhere, so the jews gave thier god credit for this style of an earth's creation. now we know this was a lie, just like the cosmos and all living creatures were created within 6 24hour periods. The god of the hebrews never existed, and the shit the people who validated his existence show it by what they said god told them about creation. They made him up and pretended he talked these things to them."

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[Whateverist]

This is something I posted today on youtube videos where Christians have defended creationism but attributes evolution to his creation, as well as the big bang. Religious folks have no business using receant discoveries that contradict the claims in genesis.

I think this is the equivalent of believers coming here and telling us what atheism means. I don't think we get to tell them what they're supposed to believe. Obviously if they thought about it the way you or I do, they wouldn't be believers.

Personally I find it hopeful if believers can find a way to accept the evidence of their senses and science where that contradicts the bible. I even know a few who admit they're agnostic but choose to believe what can't be justified anyway. Frankly I respect this sort so much more than the ones who act all smug and condescending.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

They aren't exactly recanting the Genesis narrative.  I think most of them are bowing to the inevitable as much as they can by hanging on to Genesis 1:24 - 'And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.'

Granted, it's a little problematic for theists, as God directly created birds and fish, but land animals are brought forth by the Earth, not directly by God. They're using this as a way to accept evolution but clinging desperately to their faith.  I take this as a good sign - on some level, they know that biological evolution is a fact, but they just haven't taken the final step of getting God fully out of the equation.

Baby steps.

Boru

[android17ak47]

I think this is the equivalent of believers coming here and telling us what atheism means.  I don't think we get to tell them what they're supposed to believe.  Obviously if they thought about it the way you or I do, they wouldn't be believers.

Personally I find it hopeful if believers can find a way to accept the evidence of their senses and science where that contradicts the bible.  I even know a few who admit they're agnostic but choose to believe what can't be justified anyway.  Frankly I respect this sort so much more than the ones who act all smug and condescending.

I know as a former believer of dogma how stubborn one can be but I posted that comment because believers need to be reminded why they believe in this particular version of god in the first place.

Since no god ever tends to just show his face to everybody, or anymore than one person at a time, believers of any religion can only take the word of those in ancient scripture for it, that this god appeared to these individuals to proclaim his existence, but these few people who claim to have been spoken to by this god are the ones we find in the scriptures making these claims about reality.

People need to spot a false religion when they see prophets and seers saying these things, because if they are the only ones this god ever appeared to and spoke to, a real god that was not a hallucenation would not give these few people such false information about reality. One cannot justify continuing to believe in a version of god who supposably created things and find out the information was all wrong, then reform what was said by the few in the scriptures who claimed he actually appeared to. A god would have to be the one to come and correct these errors if he is in fact real and his followers were just mistaken, for humans to correct these mistakes thousands of years later who dont have burning bush visions, or straight up visions arent doing the religion any justice, only making fools of themselves because they are trying to correct what is obviously a false religion. I just want people to hear this from my perspective. I think what I wrote was much better put than any rebuttle I have ever heard from any atheist I have watched on youtube. Something that will inform the believers better for why they shouldnt trust the word of the men who say this god existed.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Might want to edit that last post for clarity. You posted inside the quote box.

[android17ak47]

Might want to edit that last post for clarity. You posted inside the quote box.

i accidently hit quote instead of reply. im used to other forums where we always hit quote but it shows different there. it looked weird here i guess.

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They aren't exactly recanting the Genesis narrative.  I think most of them are bowing to the inevitable as much as they can by hanging on to Genesis 1:24 - 'And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.'

Granted, it's a little problematic for theists, as God directly created birds and fish, but land animals are brought forth by the Earth, not directly by God. They're using this as a way to accept evolution but clinging desperately to their faith.  I take this as a good sign - on some level, they know that biological evolution is a fact, but they just haven't taken the final step of getting God fully out of the equation.

Baby steps.

Boru

i would imagine those who read that also read genesis saying he had created all creatures in a single day. evolution is not a single day process. the heavens and earth were a single day in the scriptures as well. unless one is willing to delete these single day claims from the scripture and rewrite it, it is still contradicting what has taken place in reality, and the problem doesnt go away.

I know that we know this is a problem, but I want believers to realize that the one who spoke the genesis story was suppose to have been inspired by god, or told to him directly in person by god to tell us these things. I want the readers to realize that if it werent for these people who spoke these things, and wrote these scriptures this god wouldnt even be known in this world, and wouldnt exist. a god that has never revealed himself to humans is a god that doesnt exist, and humans who say he has revealed himself and spoke these lies, agian doesnt exist. I want readers to realize that they are taking these prophets word for it that he exists but to look at the errors in what they say when they speak about this version of god. how can one trust someone when they say a new god exists but make claims you know are lies. you would instantly know this god this person speaks of simply doesnt exist based on what this person is telling you.

[Minimalist]

There are xhristard "colleges" that offer degrees in apologetics.

It qualifies you for this:

[android17ak47]

There are xhristard "colleges" that offer degrees in apologetics.

It qualifies you for this:

well ive seen a ton of videos on youtube where apologists debate these things and ive never heard any atheist scientist put it to thier attention as I have in my comment I left on youtube. all the scientists and atheists just ramble on about why the apologists are wrong, rather than bring up the fact that the only reason anyone believes in this god is because ancient jewish individuals who claimed visions said he exists, and I point this out instead of trying to prove the theories themselves wrong. Seriously, noone these days would even know about this version of god if it werent for the jews who said these things and wrote the scriptures, and ive have never one single time heard this, not from Christopher Hitchens, not dawkins, not Matt D, not Sam H, especially not Kraus lol I dont think he is much of a great debator anyways, but seriously these atheists I mentioned are too busy trying to tell the apologists why the apologists are wrong instead of reminding them why they believe in this god in the first place.

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I mean seriously I swear as many things as we have realized through science that was wrong with litteral claims in genesis, if we could take a time machine back and witness each and very time a jew said they seen god, if we snuck up on them while they were having thier visions we would find them staring off into space talking to noone and realize they had no more of a vision than a present day skitsophrantic had a hallucenation and this is why they got reality facts so wrong. I have experienced hallucenations before so Im not knocking the mental health disorder, but thank goodness we are aware of this disorder these days because noone else knew about this disorder back in the day so it would have been easy for one with this disorder to fool the rest of the culture that does not have the disorder, especially in old times when people were way more superstitious than today.

[brewer]

People need to spot a false religion when...........

Aren't all religions false? I've yet to see a true one.