For being religious, Muslims sure lie a lot!

[Jehanne]

Everyone in the World (at least those who have access to a TV, radio and/or Internet) know that the Saudis are murderous liars:

Saudis Switch into Damage Control Mode, Trump and His Base Follow Along 

Question is, how can these people believe in "Allah" and lie so much so often?  Are not they afraid that their god will punish them in the afterlife??

[Fireball]

When one starts out believing a fairy tale and doesn't want to give it up, where else is there to go?

[WinterHold]

The Sauds don't represent Islam or Muslims; for God's sake they are being bashed so strongly in every place you can be (like in Turkey which is a Muslim community, this forum and even on the internet).
Muslims =/= the Sauds. Nobody believes this anymore, and ignorance about this point is unacceptable, funny and unbelievable.

The only person defending the Sauds is a person receiving paychecks from their government (like Trump and Kushner). So many Muslims are poor, and poor masses can be bought so easily with money, all you need is some fancy looking minarets at Mecca, some free dates, some free Qurans. Maybe lots of whores too for corrupt Muslims who don't mind having sex outside marriage.

It's their money that buys loyalty. It's fear that buys stability. Islam is a tool the Sauds use; and so many people (including non-Muslims) are impressed by $$$.

[Jehanne]

Turkey is a secular country, just for the record.

[WinterHold]

Turkey is a secular country, just for the record.

Erdoğan's political agenda of Islamization

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan promotes the Islamization in Turkey, which allow women can choose to wear hijabs in the public, abandon the secular principles.
According to at least one observer (Mustafa Akyol), under the Islamic Justice and Development Party (AKP) government of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, starting in 2007, "hundreds of secularist officers and their civilian allies" were jailed, and by 2012 the "old secularist guard" in positions of authority was replaced by members/supporters of the AKP party and the Islamic Gülen movement.[6] On 25 April 2016, the Turkish Parliament Speaker İsmail Kahraman told a conference of Islamic scholars and writers in Istanbul that "secularism would not have a place in a new constitution”, as Turkey is “a Muslim country and so we should have a religious constitution". (One of the duties of Parliament Speaker is to pen a new draft constitution for Turkey.)[7]
Some have also complained (see cite) that under Erdoğan, the old role of the Diyanet—maintaining control over the religious sphere of Islam in Turkey—has "largely been turned on its head".[8] Now greatly increased in size, the Diyanet promotes a certain type of conservative (Hanafi Sunni) Islam inside Turkey, issuing fatawa forbidding such activities as "feeding dogs at home, celebrating the western New Year, lotteries, and tattoos";[9] and projecting this "Turkish Islam"[8] abroad.[10]
The government of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the Justice and Development Party (AKP) pursue the explicit policy agenda of Islamization of education to "raise a devout generation" against secular resistance,[11][12] in the process causing lost jobs and school for many non-religious citizens of Turkey.[13] Following the July Coup, which President Erdoğan called “a gift from God",[14] thousands were purged by the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government—primarily followers of the Gülen movement, which is alleged to have launched the coup—but also remaining secularists.[15] One explanation for the end of secularism in Turkey is that socialism was seen as a threat from the left to "capitalist supremacy", and Islamic values were restored in the education system because they "appeared best suited to neutralize any challenges from the left to capitalist supremacy."[16]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Turkey#cite_note-16][/url]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism...lamization

I don't quite think so.

[Mystic]

They don't believe in God per Quran, they just deceive themselves they do. They Worship Iblis.

[Jehanne]

As for Turkey, they still want to join the EU:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessio...pean_Union

To do that, they have to maintain a secular constitution. Right now there are a bunch of religious blowjobs in power, but, still, Turkey remains a secular nation, at least as long as they pursue EU. membership.

[AFTT47]

Lieing is actually a necessary component of religion. You need to lie to yourself in order to believe it.

[WinterHold]

As for Turkey, they still want to join the EU:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessio...pean_Union

To do that, they have to maintain a secular constitution.  Right now there are a bunch of religious blowjobs in power, but, still, Turkey remains a secular nation, at least as long as they pursue EU. membership.

My opinion is that Erdogan is just hiding his true Islamic motives. In order to get any kind of respect as a regional power worthy of the EU, he has to embrace a certain secular values, that if he doesn't even believe in these secular values.

He's a Muslim-brotherhood member, if somebody's belief was a mixture between Islam and secular values; I'll say they must be from the Muslim Brotherhood.

I think they'll keep maintaining these politics (The Turks) as long as Islam is not a strong player in the world.

[outtathereligioncloset]

Why would you expect Muslims to lie any less than Christians?  Or any other religious or non-religious person.  

I'd be happy if just one person on earth's pants caught fire every time he lies...