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Poll: Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
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No. I don't believe they suffer the same way other animals do.
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No. Their suffering is unimportant compared to the good that harvesting them accomplishes.
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No. It's not a good thing, but there is no practical solution.
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2 11.76%
No. I don't care about animal suffering, fish least of all.
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1 5.88%
Yes. Fish deserve a humane death just as other animals do.
35.29%
6 35.29%
Yes. Human suffering is most important, but we shouldn't needlessly cause suffering.
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1 5.88%
Other.
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2 11.76%
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5 29.41%
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Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
#11
RE: Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
I was horned by a catfish as a child. It's been game on ever since then. 

They started it!
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#12
RE: Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
(October 29, 2018 at 12:23 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I chose the option that they deserve a humane death. But I was toying with "other." Being extracted from the sea and suffocated is far more human than being made to live in a stall in which one cannot turn around for one's entire life, after all.

-as it turns out..the species that show the greatest potential for global development are tight schoolers known for their docility and tolerance for poor water quality.  

This allows for greater stocking density in the absence of any known detriment to their full range of healthy behaviors.  The only thing that a tank reared tilapia is not allowed to do, is procreate.  They try....but you scrub those fry out with a couple bluegill.  It's a hard knock life, for fry.   

If those tank reared fish are then transferred from the growout to a cold gassing unit - the rate of the gas release can be low enough to provide the tilapia tim to clean their bowls in the presence of cold water and absence of food..while slowly rendering them unconscious.  If it's done for too long, they begin to stop breathing, and die - but at slightly variable rates (some fish don;t go down as easy as others).  So..you need human observers on hand or constant spotchecks.  They need to be transferred from that tank to the processing area when they lose school cohesion and cease to propel themselves through the water..but before their respiratory system fails.  You can't miss it..it looks like a snapshot in time in the barrel.  None of them are moving.but they're all still in vertical alignment at a consistent depth.  

In process, the first position can be a killing puncture.  It can be done with the filet knife.....but since we don't actually want brains contaminating our product (for a variety of quality and legal reasons)..it's best done as a single station with a spike - filet can be it's own thing with it's own implements.  

There's a strong economic incentive to humane rearing and tank culture.  Or...at least, there would be, if we weren't allowing the collapse of our wild stocks to mask the fact that we do not produce a fraction of what we consume as seafood.  Stress effects growth rates..which effects the value of the end product, and also the cost of the feed at known rates.  However, a humane operation has a noticeably higher installation cost, as well as disproportionately large labor costs to operate.  In short, they can't compete with a factory ship given license to loot and plunder, lol.  To say we -need- them, though..is an understatement.  We fret about the devastation that civilization has brought to terrestrial species and ecosystems.....but, because we don't see it, it's a hidden world..even conceptually, to us, we don't realize that we've turned our waterways into a global desert already.
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#13
RE: Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
I like tuna.

And salmon. Yeah. That too.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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#14
RE: Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
Mahi Mahi

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#15
RE: Should we be more humanitarian towards the fish we eat?
The last fish I ate had been eating me immediately prior. (Technically debriding a wound, but I was hungry.)
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