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"who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
(November 12, 2018 at 1:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(November 12, 2018 at 1:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's a fallacy to engage with someone regarding something they believe and then say "well I Can say thing about this and that" while you don't actually believe you have an similar reasons nor you believe it.  I forget what it's called but it is a type of fallacy.

This isn’t about my personal beliefs, it’s about valid, reliable reasoning methods.  It is a fact that anyone can justify to themselves literally any belief using things like magic, and faith. What I do or don’t personally believe has no effect on that fact.

I haven't shown my reliable reasoning methods, because every time I started a thread on this, it was followed with mockery.

However, you would be wrong to assume I have none just by making a mimic of my claims.
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
(November 12, 2018 at 1:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 12, 2018 at 1:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm gonna call bullshit on this one.  At the very least, if it is a fallacy, you can explain why the logic is invalid.
It's a fake mimic and is not engaging the person's actual evidence.

No, it's a reductio ad absurdum argument. The logic is fine. You just don't like the conclusion. The only person not engaging is you. I can engage your evidence all day long, as long as I can provide similar evidence for Christianity, the argument is sound. It has nothing to do with being a "fake mimic," whatever the hell that means. If the evidence for Christianity is comparable to the evidence you have provided for Islam, then the argument succeeds. You are claiming that it is not. The burden of proof is yours. So get to work.
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
The fallacy is clear by the fact you said I can provide evidence. It's not sufficient to rule out I have no evidence though.

I agreed it was right to show that I sound like a douche when I preach it but don't present the evidence!
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
Yes, you sound like a douche, but you're also wrong.... and compounding that fact with irrational "arguments" in support of your a-rational beliefs.  

Arguments which you yourself find unconvincing.
The essence of poverty, is that it annihilates the future - Orwell.

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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
(November 12, 2018 at 1:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The fallacy is clear by the fact you said I can provide evidence. It's not sufficient to rule out I have no evidence though.

I agreed it was right to show that I sound like a douche when I preach it but don't present the evidence!

You are making this far more complicated than it actually is, MK.  My analogy isn’t even an extreme one. Do you think you’re the only person in the world who believes in the existence of the supernatural, and forces of evil? Do you think that you’re the only person in the world who believes evil, and the supernatural have effects on people? What do you think Christians mean when they say they read and reflect on the Bible, and that god speaks to them and guides them?

If a person can use faith, or magic, or the supernatural as their reasons for believing something is true, no matter what that thing is, are those sound, reliable reasons to believe anything? Are they reasons at all?

I’m not ruling out that you have evidence. You just haven’t presented any.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
I see those effects by evidence and rational thinking, what has not been discussed is the evidence and rational assessment of the evidence. So let's put it an end, you are right. I got to stop preaching it lol and provide the evidence and rational assessment of the evidence.
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
Evidence: this is a rock: [Image: kWORl.jpg]
We can see it, we can touch it.

Where is the evidence for god?
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
When you provide me evidence and a rational assessment that Islam is true without appealing to magic, I’ll eat my shoe with a side of A1.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
(November 12, 2018 at 2:17 pm)Kit Wrote: Evidence: this is a rock: [Image: kWORl.jpg]
We can see it, we can touch it.

Where is the evidence for god?

That we exist through his perception, sight, and mind and he speaks us as ideas to life is the best proof, and although this sounds like a claim, if you break down the sentence, you can form so many sound arguments out of it's premises and see it's truth.

I discussed this in formal arguments and re-phrasing to death! 

Let it go, let it go! lol.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:18 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: When you provide me evidence and a rational assessment that Islam is true without appealing to magic, I’ll eat my shoe with a side of A1.

Ah, we'll see Dear Lady.  Inshallah, you will see more then I see of the books wonders one day!
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
(November 12, 2018 at 2:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That we exist through his perception, sight, and mind and he speaks us as ideas to life is the best proof, and......[etc]

If I'm going to forsake reality for a fantasy, it's certainly not going to be the Monster Muhammad.

As long as I'm creating my own fantasy for personal comfort, I'm choosing something like a purple unicorn that farts rainbows.
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