God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe

[tackattack]

The Bible does state that God does create Evil. Are you referencing a particular extinction event or are we engaging in the PoE?

[Jehanne]

The Bible does state that God does create Evil. Are you referencing a particular extinction event or are we engaging in the PoE?

You're the first professing Christian whom I have encountered who claims that God creates Evil:

[Drich]

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4. this is the question that reduces everything else to a mind fart...
You are asking why doesn't God create something more valuable that what the universe currently contains... This is ad hoc reasoning. because let's say the universe does everything can think of and an infinitum of more possibilities, but you being finite in a fix point in time and space can only ever examine maybe .01% of what is valuable. is it God's fault or doing that you mistake the .01% of the universe as being the whole universe?

Your argument is from ignorance, in the you think... we know and have cataloged everything when in fact we know we only have a tenth of a % of an understanding of how everything in the universe works.

The question here should not be why did create more, but how much can we see? And even then... see answer number 3.. "value" is subjective and based on individual worth.'

That's not the question the OP asked. 

Instead, if we grant the supposition that some existent God is omnipotent, then said God would have already created infinitely better things.

• In other words: Do you think this universe's creation, represents the end of God's supposedly unending power? Are universes the "best" or "greatest" things that the supposed God would have already created? ....and why would there be a "best" or "greatest" measure, for a supposedly omnipotent God that shouldn't have any "best" or "greatest" measurement of performance?
  

Based on the consequence of the supposed existence of an omnipotent force, it's extremely reasonable to conclude that theists may be far, in fact infinitely far less special than what they would have hoped for.

This question can be answered with the same answer.

qualifiers like "best, greatest in creation" is all a matter of perspective. It seems to God Love is one of the greatest attributes or things one can possess and give as it seem to be the currency the after life works on. 

Which is also why I said God uses our most valued items as common building materials, which reduces their values to little or nothing more than common cobble stones. To us our system of value is different, what we deem valued or the best, is common fodder.

Think about that for a second.

So to now ask has the best been created? The question need to be first asked by who's standards? who can judge what is best or greatest if our current best or greatest are no more important to God than common rocks and gravel?

So then if God hold something like Love with such high esteem and you don't see it as anything special, then by what standard what imperial measure do you use to judge best and or greatest?

That is why this answer works for both questions. it comes down to how does a finite being measure the work of an infinate God? what measure can one possible use to judge one creation greater or better than another, if you can not see how one creation touches and effects the whole of creation over it's entire life time?


-or to put it another way.. what do you think is better or greater than what has been created? by what measure or authority do you make this assessment? Does this assessment only concern you and this time or does it concern everyone for eternity, and is the outcome always better? How can you finite being say it will always be better?

Do you see the problem? even if you are proud enough to answer the question you have no authority to guarantee the result as always being better. meaning your standard as a finite being is unable to judge what a infinite being has already done. at best you can only speak to you and yours which has nothing to do with greatest or best..

[blue grey brain]

This question can be answered with the same answer.

qualifiers like "best, greatest in creation" is all a matter of perspective. It seems to God Love is one of the greatest attributes or things one can possess and give as it seem to be the currency the after life works on. 

Which is also why I said God uses our most valued items as common building materials, which reduces their values to little or nothing more than common cobble stones. To us our system of value is different, what we deem valued or the best, is common fodder.

Think about that for a second.

So to now ask has the best been created? The question need to be first asked by who's standards? who can judge what is best or greatest if our current best or greatest are no more important to God than common rocks and gravel?

So then if God hold something like Love with such high esteem and you don't see it as anything special, then by what standard what imperial measure do you use to judge best and or greatest?

That is why this answer works for both questions. it comes down to how does a finite being measure the work of an infinate God? what measure can one possible use to judge one creation greater or better than another, if you can not see how one creation touches and effects the whole of creation over it's entire life time?


-or to put it another way.. what do you think is better or greater than what has been created? by what measure or authority do you make this assessment? Does this assessment only concern you and this time or does it concern everyone for eternity, and is the outcome always better? How can you finite being say it will always be better?

Do you see the problem? even if you are proud enough to answer the question you have no authority to guarantee the result as always being better. meaning your standard as a finite being is unable to judge what a infinite being has already done. at best you can only speak to you and yours which has nothing to do with greatest or best..

Notably, my inability to detect a supposedly omnipotent God's infinitely better creations, has no bearing on said creations. It is odd to think my inability to detect the products of the supposed God's omnipotence, would affect said omnipotent power.

As a simple analogy: If I were a layman when Einstein were alive, I may not have understood what Einstein was thinking, but I could have correctly determined that Einstein would have already done far better than perform simple arithmetic calculations, like the calculation 1 + 1. My inability to understand Einstein's complex works, would not in anyway inhibit the reality that Einstein would have long done far more than simple addition operations.

And thus the question remains: Do you feel this universe's creation represents the end of God's supposedly unending power?

[tackattack]

The Bible does state that God does create Evil. Are you referencing a particular extinction event or are we engaging in the PoE?

You're the first professing Christian whom I have encountered who claims that God creates Evil:

That's sad, but pleased to meet you I suppose?
Isaiah 45:7 is fairly clear on that point. You can use that for rebutting any apologist you meet.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...BuJoCAILhu

[Jehanne]

So, God caused the K/T asteroid impact 65M years ago?  Or, did it occur due to random chance?  Or, some other factor(s)?

[tackattack]

He could have caused it. I wouldn't understand the reasons why or it's impact on the evolution of species or environment here. He could have caused impacts on other planets as well and destruction of other solar systems by natural means. As I stated, He caused a flood so if you're asking if God can cause natural disasters. This of course leads into your next point, well if He can control them then why doesn't He stop natural disasters probably?

[Jehanne]

He could have caused it. I wouldn't understand the reasons why or it's impact on the evolution of species or environment here. He could have caused impacts on other planets as well and destruction of other solar systems by natural means. As I stated, He caused a flood so if you're asking if God can cause natural disasters. This of course leads into your next point, well if He can control them then why doesn't He stop natural disasters probably?

Yes, a great question! So, you believe in the so-called worldwide flood, The Deluge, Noah, etc.?

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh christ, that would be unfortunate.....lol. The irony of someone telling us how to deal with nutbar apologists while casually dropping in a reference to a nonexistent flood is just too much.

[Jehanne]

Oh christ, that would be unfortunate.....lol. The irony of someone telling us how to deal with nutbar apologists while casually dropping in a reference to a nonexistent flood is just too much.

I think that's why they refer to it as "faith".