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Damned STUPID Priest yesterday . . .
RE: Damned STUPID Priest yesterday . . .
Nope, no intentions to change you mind, just want a perspective different from mine to look at and cogitate over. No one ever changes anyone's mind. They can affect their attitudes and supply new information, but I don't believe I'm telling you anything new.

(December 4, 2018 at 9:48 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Best to just track back and take a look.  The buddhist apparatus was on board with imperialist influence and critical of the new regime.  There was antipathy among the common folk toward monks due to their part in a tragic socio-economic state of affairs, and the fact that the type of buddhism prevalent in the region asserted that a persons inequality in life was a deserved and proper state of affairs gave ideological cover....for what was still, surrounding all of this, a despotic power grab by a fantastically horrid bunch of motherfuckers.  

The notion that an atheistic state was killing religious people because atheism isn't just inept..it's dangerous, because it occludes the actual causes of the tragedy and all but ensures a fertile ground for it to happen again...and that same antipathy and tragic state of affairs is growing, again..in combodia, as we speak.  

So I guess we may as well add that the the list of why theistic belief sucks donkey balls.  It makes people say stupid shit like that to potentially and actually tragic ends.  
I think I'll find the other thread on khmer rouge to finish that discussion. I'll look for it later



For clarity:
1. Religion makes people think that their worst impulses..or the worst impulse of some other, -is- the best judgement.

2. a predictable deranged asshole factory because of see 1

(December 4, 2018 at 9:48 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
Quote:Nope. I give people the benefit of the doubt till they open their mouth to judge their intent and decency. I could agree that:
3. There is usually an inverse relation between their intensity and intentions that works against their decency  
I honestly don't think that you're being entirely honest with me or yourself..or both, here.  If I say the word "religious extremist" you probably don't think I'm referring to a moderate.  A specific type of religious nutter jumps to your mind.  You see them, I see them, we all see them.  If anyone;s going to bomb an abortion clinic or give a queer a curby..it's gonna be -that- guy..we think to ourselves.
I'm being perfectly honest with us both. Fair enough I understand what you mean by nutter and religious extremists, ur definitions are the same. I was just saying that I don't see someone with a hijab, burka or keffiyeh and assume they're a terrorist. I can assume they're of Arabic descent, but what they wear or the color of the skin doesn't tell me jack about their beliefs, intentions or motivations. Maybe they're just really modest or allergic to the sun?. Bottom line is I was trying to capture your input on it, not reword it for my benefit.
Let's try:
3. Religious nutters who take their book seriously are not normally decent people


4. A faith that eschews the value of this life in favor of the primacy of some next life (or no life).  
5. History of annihilating all life affirming faith
6. Currently dream of the apocalypse
7. More barbaric than any other faith
8. Has no choice but to promotes atrocity for atrocity so as not to be victimized. see 4,5 and 7


Quote:Yup, though I fear that you're going to end up focusing too much on a specific faith, I'm referring to theistic faith, as a whole....and I'm willing to do a little east v west split here because I have a whole different set of criticism for eastern religions, with some overlap where it applies.  
Because one of the items is a comparison of different faiths, isn't it reasonable for me to focus on specific faiths. Generally theistic faith, as a whole though is amenable.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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RE: Damned STUPID Priest yesterday . . .
Meh, more or less..but if you're simply trying to understand my position then I see no reason not to go with exactly what I said at the outset.  It would probably be easier to address some single item that you want clarity for at a time.
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RE: Damned STUPID Priest yesterday . . .
(December 5, 2018 at 10:53 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Meh, more or less..but if you're simply trying to understand my position then I see no reason not to go with exactly what I said at the outset.  It would probably be easier to address some single item that you want clarity for at a time.
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(December 4, 2018 at 5:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

certainty isn't dangerous. certainty is functional. I'm certain that leaning on this tree will hold me up. It doesn't have to, but when it does it reaffirms that certainty. It's the closest thing to objectivity we can find. It can be dangerous if we apply moral value to it, depending on the source. But objectivity doesn't set value, subjective morality does. And subjective morality has a plethora of input that can cloud judgement.

(December 4, 2018 at 5:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

could you cite where it is good or Godly to give a curby that isn't subjective morality?

(December 4, 2018 at 5:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

Aside from the blanket hasty generalization, I will disagree. You can't be devoted and serious about your faith and be decent? That's a blatant correlational fallacy. Yes I can tell nutters and you can tell nutters usually when they open their mouths, but to correlate devotion and faith with being irrational and decent, that's a mistake. You can be decent and rational and completely dedicate yourself to your faith and studies. I believe Religion doesn't cause murder, people murder and use religion as an excuse. I feel it's the same for faith and decency. People are going to be pricks if they want to whether they believe in God or not. If anything more dedication should curb that rather than accentuate it.


(December 4, 2018 at 5:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

So believers can't love both this life and a perceived next? There are plenty of examples of people doing good in this life just for good's sake and not to gain some reward in an afterlife. All members do not dream of the apocalypse, see nutters comment above. Secondly, If people make the Gods then I would agree that red in claw applies to God's as well. Humans are finite and fearful. Instincts to cause a galvanization and escalation of violence. I consider that a human trait though, not a God trait. Religions being the human institutions attempting to figure out a God(s) I can see some human bias in how they use their knowledge.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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