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How to discuss religion with believers?
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Any "religious" people in my circle are deists or pagans. I don't generally talk politics, sex, or religion with coworkers randos. It so rarely happens to me that someone approaches me on the subject, and when it has, I just sidestep it and change the subject. I don't find such conversations to be fruitful. Pushy ones get told to shove off. I was immersed in that stuff for years, thanks but no thanks.
TL;DR I don't.  RE: How to discuss religion with believers?
December 19, 2018 at 12:23 am
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2018 at 12:24 am by ignoramus.)
(December 18, 2018 at 11:35 pm)no one Wrote: I speak slowly and use very small words. It's not good for you atheist lot to cover all theists with the same blanket! 
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. 
Generally speaking, just like you are doing now. I’m happy to discuss my religion with you any time. Oh, and welcome
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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You are pushing against the religious because you see them as stubborn in their belief and yet you are doing the same thing you accuses them of doing, You can't do that and get anywhere. You say you do not believe in anything without proof stick around for a while and you'll be challenged on that statement, many things in science have no proofs and thus by your own words must reject them as you have God, welcome to the forum.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
RE: How to discuss religion with believers?
December 19, 2018 at 4:30 am
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We hear you GC. My point is that I can reject all science and it still won't make magic man any more likely...
Which is the subject of religion... Not whether science has disproven pink unicorns ...Let's get to the crux of it. IMO, the crux is that we are trying to mix oil and water. You can't. I can personally respect you as a person and for having those beliefs, but it is not the atheists who are uncomfortable with just having faith. Some theists need to take it further and PROVE that their particular sky fairy is the one true one. But I'm still happy to smile and nod a lot ...That's just me. 
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. 
The best way to dissuade a Christian from his or her religion is to ask them about Koalas and how they came to Australia. Like: once the koala bear got off of the Ark, how did it get to Australia? Koala only eats eucalyptus leaves, and there’s no eucalyptus trees where the Ark allegedly landed. So how did the koala bear get to Australia?
That always "kills" them.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
 RE: How to discuss religion with believers?
December 19, 2018 at 7:37 am
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(December 19, 2018 at 3:34 am)Godscreated Wrote: ... many things in science have no proofs... I'm not sure you know what that means. The only thing science cares about is evidence. In scientific terms, proof is a term used to reference evidence that supports a theory not that it is an absolute sum of all knowledge. In theism, proof means that the evidence supports an absolute as the sum of all knowledge. The theists definition of proof does not actually exist in science. The nuance is important. Not only does it have a completely different meaning in science and religion, but how the word is used in scientific terms distinguishes actual science from junk science. 
A punch in the mouth as rebuttal works for me.
Pat Mustard
Previous username: GUBU God! Theresa, I forgot me fecking trousers!  Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist (December 19, 2018 at 3:34 am)Godscreated Wrote: , many things in science have no proofs Citation needed. In science things aren't taken simply on somebody's word, unlike in religion. The Royal Society's motto is Nullius in Verba for a reason.
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