Atheists and Cakes

[Anomalocaris]

Still too dumb to realize lying to and insulting the experts don’t impress the experts. Bozo

[Divinity]

But what if you look at it this way: imagine that you are an architect who is also an atheist and that a priest orders that you design a Christian church for him would you do it? Do you think you have right to object?

I mean Supreme Court did rule in the favor of the baker stating "Creative professionals who serve all people should be free to create art consistent with their convictions without the threat of government punishment." and baking cakes is probably really going out on a limb to call it an art since it is basically cooking but I guess it is different then just let's say serving drinks or selling groceries.

Yes, why the fuck would you not?

[Fake Messiah]

But what if you look at it this way: imagine that you are an architect who is also an atheist and that a priest orders that you design a Christian church for him would you do it? Do you think you have right to object?

I mean Supreme Court did rule in the favor of the baker stating "Creative professionals who serve all people should be free to create art consistent with their convictions without the threat of government punishment." and baking cakes is probably really going out on a limb to call it an art since it is basically cooking but I guess it is different then just let's say serving drinks or selling groceries.

Yes, why the fuck would you not?

Yeah why wouldn't you object? And I guess "you" could argue that making cakes is an art that is very template based--not much creativity--so why wouldn't he make a cake for gays?

Then I guess there is a fear there would be repercussions from this decision like some Christians walk to some powerful Jew in Hollywood like JJ Abrams and order from him to make a movie about how great Christians are arguing that he already makes movies by the numbers (templateish) and he can't refuse.
And then movie gets out and other Christian denominations watch it and say "This is not real Christianity" and they start WW3.

[Divinity]

Then I guess there is a fear there would be repercussions from this decision like some Christians walk to some powerful Jew in Hollywood like JJ Abrams and order from him to make a movie about how great Christians are arguing that he already makes movies by the numbers (templateish) and he can't refuse.
And then movie gets out and other Christian denominations watch it and say "This is not real Christianity" and they start WW3.

You've mixed up the order here.  

Abrams as a producer would be the customer.  You can't make someone buy your shit.  Producers aren't in the habit of having customers come in and order movies.  There's no store where you can find JJ Abrams behind the counter asking what kind of movie you'd like him to make for you.

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[LostLocke]

There's no store where you can find JJ Abrams behind the counter asking what kind of movie you'd like him to make for you.

Somebody needs to get on opening that store, like RIGHT NOW!!!

[Fake Messiah]

You've mixed up the order here.  

Abrams as a producer would be the customer.  You can't make someone buy your shit.  Producers aren't in the habit of having customers come in and order movies.  There's no store where you can find JJ Abrams behind the counter asking what kind of movie you'd like him to make for you.

C'mon, JJ is also a director and a screenwriter. I mean he directed Force Awakens after people from Disney ordered it from him with exact movie they wanted (they even had a script). And also not after some other guys refused the job like Guillermo del Toro.

[Amarok]

Nah atheist temple books would be 

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And the stupidity of comparing a free agent like a movie director to a baker with a shop can't be overstated

[The Grand Nudger]

Thy didn't rule in favor of the bakers right to discriminate, Messiah.  That's just something that loons say so much and in so many forms of media that non loons think it's true.

The "threat of punishment" being referred to, is having mean words said at ones face by (also-christian) officers of the court, lol. No worries, civil rights are still a thing, for now..lol. In point of fact, if we had a religion of "No blacks aloud" or any other other such trash, we would be compelled to serve them nevertheless. Religious objections, contrary to peoples assumptions....consistently fail. The people who brought that case (and a host of others like it) are a mill. They take in money to keep throwing rocks at the wall. If I had to speculate, I'd say they do so with the maximum amount of cynicism towards the endeavor. Actually winning a case..for real...would be to murder the goose that lays the golden eggs.

[Fake Messiah]

And the stupidity of comparing a free agent like a movie director to a baker with a shop can't be overstated

Well I am trying to understand this issue which seems to be more complicated that participants in this topic seem to be are aware of. I am not saying that I am right but rather "prove me wrong".
I guess the main reason we can't understand each other is the notion of baking cakes being an art. Some of you clearly don't think it is and perhaps that's why we don't understand each other, and perhaps this is what we should be debating.

And let's presume it is, like Supreme Court says it is (although I myself have a hard time accepting it) then there is no reason not to compare a cake baker with a painter or sculptor or an architect or a film director etc. I mean there is nothing stopping you to pick up Yellow Pages and call some sculptor and order a sculpture which he can reject.

Now there is this issue with "he has a bakery shop where everyone can enter" where I guess you're trying to say that people can enter and drink coffee and eat cakes and that these services should not be refused on these ground and I agree, but I've seen many bakeries where you can only enter and order cakes and nothing else, like this one



Or maybe these two bakers can't compare to each other since this woman seems much more serious if not more artistic in her work than "that guy"?

But then there are also other non artistic services which people can object to do. Like it is now a case with lawyers and Trump, since no respectable lawyer wants to take him as a client.