PTSD caused by religion

[Homeless Nutter]

Ironically there are a lot of ptsd support offer for those leaving the lgbtq community inside and outside the church.

Sure, why not. Presumably, the ironic part is the use of the word "support".

I also know Mormons and Scientologists also have a large support system for people leaving them.

Yeah... And you know, that when you're in the company of people wearing magic underwear and followers of a sci-fi writer - you simply CAN NOT be wrong...

[Brian37]

Do you know a case of someone suffering of PTSD because of religion, even after leaving said religion and having no doubt that there is no Hell or that any other bullshit is bullshit? What if the simple view of a cross or a burqa are triggers? How do they handle it?

Ironically there are a lot of ptsd support offer for those leaving the lgbtq community inside and outside the church.

I also know Mormons and Scientologists also have a large support system for people leaving them.

Suppressing yourself is not "leaving" anything. It is an unhealthy denial and is harmful. And old book of mythology does not constitute our modern scientific understanding of human behavior or sexual behavior for that matter. 

You know a lot of religious people using shame and fear and control, that is not help, that is metal abuse.

[Drich]

Ironically there are a lot of ptsd support offer for those leaving the lgbtq community inside and outside the church.

I also know Mormons and Scientologists also have a large support system for people leaving them.

Suppressing yourself is not "leaving" anything. It is an unhealthy denial and is harmful. And old book of mythology does not constitute our modern scientific understanding of human behavior or sexual behavior for that matter. 

You know a lot of religious people using shame and fear and control, that is not help, that is metal abuse.

that is the dumbest thing ever said by a human being with a intact brain.


suppression of the urge to smoke is how one leaves or quits smoking. suppression of one's desire to drink is how one quits drinking. suppression of sexual thoughts or activities is how one remains faithful to their spouce when away or out of town. like wise suppression of homosexual feelings is how one leaves a life style that has become toxic to them. If and when a person wants to stop having those feelings and many people do despite the propaganda against people who leave that community they seek help generally with the church as it is an unpopular thing to help people leave.

[Brian37]

Suppressing yourself is not "leaving" anything. It is an unhealthy denial and is harmful. And old book of mythology does not constitute our modern scientific understanding of human behavior or sexual behavior for that matter. 

You know a lot of religious people using shame and fear and control, that is not help, that is metal abuse.

that is the dumbest thing ever said by a human being with a intact brain.


suppression of the urge to smoke is how one leaves or quits smoking. suppression of one's desire to drink is how one quits drinking. suppression of sexual thoughts or activities is how one remains faithful to their spouce when away or out of town. like wise suppression of homosexual feelings is how one leaves a life style that has become toxic to them. If and when a person wants to stop having those feelings and many people do despite the propaganda against people who leave that community they seek help generally with the church as it is an unpopular thing to help people leave.

You are seriously trying my patience here.

BEING LGBT is not an an addiction anymore than being heterosexual is.

This is just nonsense on your part based on an old book of mythology.

Not my baggage someone sold you old and bad claims. THE AMA has long since said that homosexuality is NORMAL.

Now if your argument is multiple partners are risky as far as STDs, the same is true for heterosexuals, if they have multiple partners. And heterosexuals outnumber gays. 

So all you are arguing is an old book you bought into says crap based on antiquity AND DOES NOT match what modern science says.

[Drich]

that is the dumbest thing ever said by a human being with a intact brain.


suppression of the urge to smoke is how one leaves or quits smoking. suppression of one's desire to drink is how one quits drinking. suppression of sexual thoughts or activities is how one remains faithful to their spouce when away or out of town. like wise suppression of homosexual feelings is how one leaves a life style that has become toxic to them. If and when a person wants to stop having those feelings and many people do despite the propaganda against people who leave that community they seek help generally with the church as it is an unpopular thing to help people leave.

You are seriously trying my patience here.

BEING LGBT is not an an addiction anymore than being heterosexual is.

This is just nonsense on your part based on an old book of mythology.

Not my baggage someone sold you old and bad claims. THE AMA has long since said that homosexuality is NORMAL.

Now if your argument is multiple partners are risky as far as STDs, the same is true for heterosexuals, if they have multiple partners. And heterosexuals outnumber gays. 

So all you are arguing is an old book you bought into says crap based on antiquity AND DOES NOT match what modern science says.

you are really challenging common sense here. It doesn't fucking matter how you qualify or classify the lgbt community, there are legit people who want out but because of emotion and propaganda (the bull shit that makes you think no one could ever want out) for instance, a man who had a family that he loved, also happen to have a porn addiction had it progress into gay porn and over time that progressed into meeting up with strangers. at this point this is no different than a man who likes straight porn and meets up with girls on tinder. 
At some point the man has to make a choice. it is unfathomable to you that a man could love his family more than gay porn? that a man could love his wife than the off chance of meeting a stranger to   with?

Maybe you've been conditioned to always choose the man, but let's say some were born before the year 2000 and Got some integrity from our greatest generation and chooses to love their wives and family over any form of porn or wank session in a public park bathroom. where does one like that go for help?

Where does a man who loves being drilled in the can but wants to also be married and have a family go when he finds out that men like james dobson point out there are no prohibitions in the bed room of a sanctified marriage, meaning his wife could full fill his can drilling need and he can have kids and grand kids to boot?

Where does anyone go who simply wants out? maybe someone tired of the hypocrisy of trying to love a man who hypocritically takes on the social ques of a woman and asks.. why not just love a woman?

Your failure is you inability to allow individuality in the lgbt community. you demand a group think where everyone feels the same that no one could be 100% 'in' then want 100% out.


what about someone who simply says... I am bigger than my sexual desire, and I will not let what I like sexually define me. and intellectually I choose to have a traditional life despite what I may want on a carnal level. no one like that in the LGBT community? thank god there are people like that in ever other facet of humanity otherwise narry a fart would ever be heard again seeing how ever man woman child animal walk swims or crawls would have a bung hole tight enough to press one out. should there be any of us left if the potential serial killers didn't infact suppress their urges and seek help to live a traditional life.

[Brian37]

You are seriously trying my patience here.

BEING LGBT is not an an addiction anymore than being heterosexual is.

This is just nonsense on your part based on an old book of mythology.

Not my baggage someone sold you old and bad claims. THE AMA has long since said that homosexuality is NORMAL.

Now if your argument is multiple partners are risky as far as STDs, the same is true for heterosexuals, if they have multiple partners. And heterosexuals outnumber gays. 

So all you are arguing is an old book you bought into says crap based on antiquity AND DOES NOT match what modern science says.

you are really challenging common sense here. It doesn't fucking matter how you qualify or classify the lgbt community, there are legit people who want out but because of emotion and propaganda (the bull shit that makes you think no one could ever want out) for instance, a man who had a family that he loved, also happen to have a porn addiction had it progress into gay porn and over time that progressed into meeting up with strangers. at this point this is no different than a man who likes straight porn and meets up with girls on tinder. 
At some point the man has to make a choice. it is unfathomable to you that a man could love his family more than gay porn? that a man could love his wife than the off chance of meeting a stranger to   with?

Maybe you've been conditioned to always choose the man, but let's say some were born before the year 2000 and Got some integrity from our greatest generation and chooses to love their wives and family over any form of porn or wank session in a public park bathroom. where does one like that go for help?

Where does a man who loves being drilled in the can but wants to also be married and have a family go when he finds out that men like james dobson point out there are no prohibitions in the bed room of a sanctified marriage, meaning his wife could full fill his can drilling need and he can have kids and grand kids to boot?

Where does anyone go who simply wants out? maybe someone tired of the hypocrisy of trying to love a man who hypocritically takes on the social ques of a woman and asks.. why not just love a woman?

Your failure is you inability to allow individuality in the lgbt community. you demand a group think where everyone feels the same that no one could be 100% 'in' then want 100% out.


what about someone who simply says... I am bigger than my sexual desire, and I will not let what I like sexually define me. and intellectually I choose to have a traditional life despite what I may want on a carnal level. no one like that in the LGBT community? thank god there are people like that in ever other facet of humanity otherwise narry a fart would ever be heard again seeing how ever man woman child animal walk swims or crawls would have a bung hole tight enough to press one out. should there be any of us left if the potential serial killers didn't infact suppress their urges and seek help to live a traditional life.

Um no, there are people whom have been convinced that they are nothing without old mythology.

If you think Muslims or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists don't also discriminate against LGBT you are a fool.

Most of our planet is still stuck in an age that sexuality is defined by religion. LGBT rights only exist in the west, and even then on a limited scale.

If you think China or even Japan give rights to LGBT to the same extent, IF AT ALL, to LGBT that America does, you are an IDIOT!

Islam as far as LGBT is even worse than the likes of your "at lest we don't murder them". In the middle east, they arrest you, whip you, and or MURDER YOU. 

The idea that ANY  religion is a magical cure to anything not heterosexual. IS FUCKING NONSENSE!

What you are pointing out with your horrible claims here, are humans refusing to get with modern understanding.

I am sure there are people who claimed to "formally" be gay, but no, all they did was confuse the constant vilification of their individual nature as being evil, and were never given a chance to be themselves.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "religious cure" for anything. There are only humans used to social norms whom get sold the bigotry of their parents/ society.

[Drich]

Um no, there are people whom have been convinced that they are nothing without old mythology.

so which talking point of mine does this relate to? or is this some closed minded rhetoric you are using so you have something to say?

If you think Muslims or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists don't also discriminate against LGBT you are a fool.

who cares? what does this snaw man have to do with the OP?

Most of our planet is still stuck in an age that sexuality is defined by religion. LGBT rights only exist in the west, and even then on a limited scale.

so what? in those same open to lgbt minds are closed to human rights in those countries in the near and far east by not acknowledging modern slavery is what fuels their consumer lifestyle.

If you think China or even Japan give rights to LGBT to the same extent, IF AT ALL, to LGBT that America does, you are an IDIOT!

maybe because in their culture it is view differently. who are you to say what is right in china or japan?

Islam as far as LGBT is even worse than the likes of your "at lest we don't murder them". In the middle east, they arrest you, whip you, and or MURDER YOU. 

again to what talking point of mine is this supposed to address?

The idea that ANY  religion is a magical cure to anything not heterosexual. IS FUCKING NONSENSE!

when did I say this?

What you are pointing out with your horrible claims here, are humans refusing to get with modern understanding.

no you stupid moron, I said what of those in the lgbt community who choose to have a traditional family and wants out? where do they go? what programs in the lgbt community do you have in place for people who have been traumatized by the life style and seek to return to a traditional role in soceity? all the lgbt community would have to offer someone wanting out is hate vitriol and persecution... hence the need and role the church actually has for those seeking out of the lgbt community!!!

I am sure there are people who claimed to "formally" be gay, but no, all they did was confuse the constant vilification of their individual nature as being evil, and were never given a chance to be themselves.

again dummy what of the one who has been gay but seeks a traditional herto life now? Never met a gay woman who's bio clock starts ticking so loudly she would want to stop any and all non baby getting business and put all of her efforts into getting pregnet? what's wrong with you that you would ignore or not count someone who's bio nature demand they live a hetro lifestyle? after all isn't that your line to excuse gay relationships to begin with? again what happens when they want out? are you saying out of the millions of truly gay people not one ever not 10 ever not 100 ever in the history of man apart from religion want to live and love the herto lifestyle? in your tiny little mind you can not fathom the love of a child or the love for a family trumps some guys need to be drilled in the can? If gay people can not love children more than them selves/as any parent would do if they had them and always put themselves first how are they not monsters?

So then if gat people with kids can put those kids first and want to live a traditional life for those kids would they not want out of the lgbt community?

There is NO SUCH THING as a "religious cure" for anything. There are only humans used to social norms whom get sold the bigotry of their parents/ society.

retard I will ask you again what programs do the lgbt community offer people who are currently in the community help to recover their hertosexual life style? now because lgbt's do not offer a way out and the church does... then by default the church become the cure for those who have that need.

[The Grand Nudger]

Unless the church is running a combo hetero escort/child trafficking service where you're at, you're talking out of your ass.

A gay woman who wants a baby doesn't go to a church to get one. Churches aren't where babies come from. A gay man who wants a hetero family (a bit of a conundrum on it's face, lol) needs only stick his p in some v and voila.

Nothing about having baby or a family requires a "hetero lifestyle", and nothing about a "hetero lifestyle" takes a church.

Churches have absolutely no success at "curing" the gay, but they're pretty good at producing Ted Haggards!

[Brian37]

Unless the church is running a combo hetero escort/child trafficking service where you're at, you're talking out of your ass.  

A gay woman who wants a baby doesn't go to a church to get one.  Churches aren't where babies come from.  A gay man who wants a hetero family (a bit of a conundrum on it's face, lol) needs only stick his p in some v and voila.

Nothing about having baby or a family requires a "hetero lifestyle", and nothing about a "hetero lifestyle" takes a church.

Churches have absolutely no success at "curing" the gay, but they're pretty good at producing Ted Haggards!

And Senators with "wide stances".

[Drich]

Unless the church is running a combo hetero escort/child trafficking service where you're at, you're talking out of your ass.  

A gay woman who wants a baby doesn't go to a church to get one.  Churches aren't where babies come from.  A gay man who wants a hetero family (a bit of a conundrum on it's face, lol) needs only stick his p in some v and voila.

Nothing about having baby or a family requires a "hetero lifestyle", and nothing about a "hetero lifestyle" takes a church.

Churches have absolutely no success at "curing" the gay, but they're pretty good at producing Ted Haggards!

WE HAVE EXGAY PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH WHO WANTED OUT OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY!!!!!

You can't tell me all gay men or women want their chidren raised in that community. there are huge confernces of ex-gay people now members of the church





again what lgbt support groups are there to help people who want out of the community?

despite the lgbt propaganda there are people granted not many but there are people who want out of that life style. so then what does the community offer? what does the mainline non religious community offer these poor people?

So why bash the church for helping people who have fallen through soceity's cracks?

I can not believe you or what's his face believes No one ever wanted out of the lgbt community. that someone could never choose to raise their kids away from the lgbt community, that someone struggling with homosexual thoughts would choose to seek consoling to help them live a life that honors their family, wife children rather than running off with some gay guy.

again what does the lgbt offer to help people who want out?

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I just saw this:

Churches have absolutely no success at "curing" the gay, but they're pretty good at producing Ted Haggards!

You have no idea what the church is about. Church is not about curing sin, it is not about abstaining from sin (as none of us can) it is about identifying sin and repenting of sin rather than lowering morality to accept or excuse sin. I'm sure there will be gay men who were activly gay as long as they could be in heaven. but not one who justified his sin or made excuses for it. every gay man in heaven would have to had repented even if he could not stop sinning, his heart/his new self could not want to be apart of what the old self/a slave to sin was doing.

No sir the church is not a cure. the church is a place where we are held accountable to each other so when we fall someone is there to pick us back up.