Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[Jehanne]

I don't think climate change matters nearly as much as 2 dozen other things that would bring people together for a common good and better society as a whole (and even move us closer to a climate solution). I've reviewed the video and I'm not an expert in climate and it's not a particular interesting field for me either. To think that Humans have no detrimental cumulative affect on their environment though is easily dismissed by modern simple observation of human behavior. They may have mis-categorized some influences and numbers, it doesn't help with a solution. BTW @Drich , could you please stop quoting entire walls of text withoout hiding them, especially if you're going to follow with an all caps "you're stupid" rant, it gets really tiresome on the eyes.

Climate change may mean extinction, the death of the human species.  What do you consider to be "more important than that?"

[Amarok]

I don't think climate change matters nearly as much as 2 dozen other things that would bring people together for a common good and better society as a whole (and even move us closer to a climate solution). I've reviewed the video and I'm not an expert in climate and it's not a particular interesting field for me either. To think that Humans have no detrimental cumulative affect on their environment though is easily dismissed by modern simple observation of human behavior. They may have mis-categorized some influences and numbers, it doesn't help with a solution. BTW @Drich , could you please stop quoting entire walls of text withoout hiding them, especially if you're going to follow with an all caps "you're stupid" rant, it gets really tiresome on the eyes.

Climate change may mean extinction, the death of the human species.  What do you consider to be "more important than that?"

And if not extinction then at the very least mass long term human collateral and economic damage as well as mass long term ecological damage .

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Do you think paying a bigger tax is going to fix it then you just go ahead and pay al gore his money and see what happens.

Al Gore has dickty Shit to do with anything . The science backs climate change , This is just attempting disingenuous ploy of appealing to celebrities or politics which has fuck all to do with climate science .

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If you are I can demonstrate how milankovitch cycles would not mean stratospheric temp rise.

You would be wasting your time, here.  Any potentential demonstration of that would amount to nothing less than the dissolution of basic chemistry and physics.  How's that nobel acceptance speech coming along?

To bad he can't show it and is just repeating long debunked talking points

[tackattack]

@Gae Bolga and @Jehanne, I’m not saying that it’s not important or devastating, just that it’s not as fixable as other things currently. This about sums my thought on it https://youtu.be/pBbvehbomrY

[Amarok]

@Gae Bolga and @Jehanne, I’m not saying that it’s not important or devastating, just that it’s not as fixable as other things currently. This about sums my thought on it https://youtu.be/pBbvehbomrY

Yeah Jordan Peterson doesn't know dick about climate change. Let alone how fightable it is .

[tackattack]

Here the particular cited with which i agree https://www.foreignaffairs.com/videos/20...evelopment.

In development, whether Kanban or sprint method, productivity and attainment of goals is easier, smoother and quicker to attain when the goals are specific, short and do-able. Jerking our feelings over which scientific numbers belong in which category expressly eximplifies this point. The discourse and a global conversation are good for providing definition. I just don’t find it as productive as individual engagement and responsibility on equally positive and do-able goals.

[Jehanne]

@Gae Bolga and @Jehanne, I’m not saying that it’s not important or devastating, just that it’s not as fixable as other things currently. This about sums my thought on it https://youtu.be/pBbvehbomrY

Perhaps we need a new thread on this one; but, how is human-induced global warming not fixable?

[The Grand Nudger]

The discourse and a global conversation are good for providing definition. I just don’t find it as productive as individual engagement and responsibility on equally positive and do-able goals.

FWIW, neither do I.  Things like a carbon tax or..pretty much any topdown solution, are stopgaps that do nothing but buy the individual time to realize that the onus is on them. Like I mentioned, I've put my money, all of my money, where my mouth is. Until such a time as other people as individuals (not as people in a collective damage reduction scheme) do something like that, we'll still be talking about it, still not solving it.

I have utopian climate principles, I acknowledge that, nothing I dream of will ever come to be beyond the steps of my own house, but in the balance of difference between where we are and where my dreams lay..even the stalling responses we engineer at the level of government will have to slide more closely to those principles than they do to any...any......type of avoidance, even the most passive or otherwise well intentioned.

I read your link. There's literally nothing in there to indicate whatever that person was talking about....but hey, they're probably good goals......thank non existent christ we can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, I guess? Whatever (and whichever) those good goals are, we should do that too...but, like killing a man, killing agw isn't going to be best accomplished by obliquely striking at his ears. Aim center mass, pull the trigger, let people yell at you about what you've done after the fact. There are going to be people who paint you (and what you've done) as ...somehow, villainous or stupid...regardless. Well, okay, lean in, and be the stupid bad guy who covered the smart good guys asses while they bitched you out for doing so and did whatever they thought was a better idea. At the end of the day, you'll only have solved multiple problems rather than just the one easier (but equally worthy) thing.

Or we can do nothing, we can walk but elect -not- to chew bubblegum....and I'll make alot of money off of that by doing something. A very smart person once explained to me that the essence of success was to account for the predictable failures of others and make them somehow profitable to you as you do the right thing. If you just do the right thing, well, good for you, but you're gonna be poor on account of it.

[tackattack]

@Jehanne I didn't say never fixable. If you have can identify man-made global warming and have a solution for man-made global warming that's attainable in this generation, I'm all ears. My point was that perhaps raising conscientious, educated, invested and responsible generation of well mentally-balanced problem solvers would be a better set of goals for this generation. I'm not saying defer fixing it, it's a matter or do-able priority concise goal setting. If you can fix it great, how can I help?

@Gae Bolga agreed

[The Grand Nudger]

There are alot of attainable ways to address agw in this generation.  There are, obviously, alot of other problems that could also be solved in the same.  It's not a competition. You are, even if you don't appreciate it, suggesting that we defer doing a while we focus on b when we don't actually have to make any such choice.

Here's how you start, buy everything you can locally from people actively trying to address the issue. That will, incidentally, address some of your b's just as supporting the b's can address some portion of a. It was once the case that the local market simply couldn't provide all of the things. Not so much anymore. The reason that it doesn't, today, is purely down to lack of financial support, and that...no other thing, necessitates global transport.

I live above 38 north....not so long ago that meant that a person -had- to buy x for at least some portion of the year from places south of 38. Today, however, I can grow tropical fruit year round...and the only reason that I don't...is that I couldn't sell it. Not only does this fact necessitate transport, it supports literal banana republics. I'm assuming they belong in the b category?

The US imports, and this is just last I checked years ago, 9 billionUSD in seafood, the majority of that in landlocked states (because coastal states have access to domestic product). Interior biofloc production means that we can cut that shit, and all of the misery that those markets produce out of the picture, and produce more while doing so at the same or a lesser pricepoint, to say nothing of the intrinsic pollution of the current industry. Pie in the sky shit...maybe people would eat more fish and less beef if they had the opportunity. Who doesn't want to cook healthier meals for their kids? It's a better use of space and a less exploitative metholdology all at once, that can save people money not just on their bills, but medical care.... while producing new jobs in a new market available to people traditionally left behind by progress. I could toss you a link to a transition in burley producing regions to melon prouction that demonstrates as much and at least in some areas (like mine) a person could produce burley or trout, tilapia, or marine shrimp. They choose tobacco because they couldn't sell the rest as easily. Mull that over.

-just tossing out ideas.

(in my utopian future this entire state is covered in ridge dams and, meaningfully, underwater...old coal holes are..I shit you not, the engine of production - within one days drive of 70 percent of the us population. So well positioned that no foreign or more exploitative industry or model could compete. The ultimate terminus of my production methodology is to intentionally flood my own land, lol - a goal that I could accomplish by literally doing nothing.)

[tackattack]

I practice local farm to table whenever possible. That reminds me I should go hunting this weekend