Cardinal George Pell.

[Abaddon_ire]

What a very Christian attitude.

 Neither the death penalty nor castration are on the table. Perhaps in Saudi Arabia and other bastions of  justice----After all, Sharia law is based on Mosaic law.

--I am so glad Christians are no longer allowed to burn people alive or kill them in other colourful ways..

I see you live by a double standard how atheist of you, without absolute standards you can pick and choose as you have in this thread. Little lunch said shoot him in the head and you gave no response to that statement, yet let a Christian propose something you believe you can pick at and you will without regard, how atheist of you. The man has ruined lives, surely you do not believe a pedophile stops with one child do you, nor has it been demonstrated they can be cured, so what use are they to society. You may enjoy having a double standard but in reality it shows your lack of concern on many levels.

GC

I never knew that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" came with a bucket of exception clauses.

Double standard? Go look in a mirror, hypocrite.

[fredd bear]

"I never knew that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" came with a bucket of exception clauses."


Doesn't need exemption clauses. The commandment actually reads 'thou shalt commit no murder"

Really, really handy, gives LOTS of wiggle room:

The Torah is the mythology and rule book of nomads, at a time when the words for 'stranger' and 'enemy' were synonyms .

Mosaic law was very harsh EG the death penalty for not not respecting the sabbath, for committing adultery ,and of course a father had the right to kill a disrespectful child.

The killing mentioned above was not considered murder.

Conveniently, neither was war ;That came in real handy when the Hebrews reached Caanan, and killed all of the inhabitants, so they could steal their land.

Every religion reflects the culture which invents it.

The post industrial consumer society in which we live makes it necessary for today's Christians to cherry pick scripture to fit in with their way of life; most definitely not the other way round. hypocrites. Absolutely; who isn't? The Christians I run across are simply a lot more skilled tham others




" Exodus 20:13 (KJV)
Thou shalt not kill.

Many political statements have been made about this verse. This translation has been used by many to support their pacifist desires. However, it seems that most translations have dropped "kill" in favor of "murder". "

Exodus 20:13 (NKJV)
You shall not murder.

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q...t-not-kill


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Killing vs. Murder

To begin with, what does it mean to “kill”? Taken most literally, this would forbid killing animals for food or even plants for food. That seems implausible, however, because the Hebrew scriptures contain extensive descriptions about how to properly go about killing for food and that would be strange if killing were forbidden. More significantly is the fact that there are many examples in the Old Testament of God commanding the Hebrews to kill their enemies — why would God do that if this were a violation of one of the Commandments?

Thus, many translate the original Hebrew word ratsach as “murder” instead of “kill.” This may be reasonable, but the fact that popular lists of the Ten Commandments continue to use “kill” is a problem because if everyone agrees that “murder” is more accurate, then the popular lists — including those often used for government displays — are simply wrong and misleading. In fact, many Jews regard the mistranslation of the text as “kill” to be immoral in and of itself, both because it falsifies the words of God and because there are times when one has an obligation to kill.

https://www.thoughtco.com/sixth-commandm...ill-250905

[Godscreated]

I see you live by a double standard how atheist of you, without absolute standards you can pick and choose as you have in this thread. Little lunch said shoot him in the head and you gave no response to that statement, yet let a Christian propose something you believe you can pick at and you will without regard, how atheist of you. The man has ruined lives, surely you do not believe a pedophile stops with one child do you, nor has it been demonstrated they can be cured, so what use are they to society. You may enjoy having a double standard but in reality it shows your lack of concern on many levels.

GC

I never knew that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" came with a bucket of exception clauses.

Double standard? Go look in a mirror, hypocrite.

 The commandment is "murder." We have a better understanding of the old Hebrew language than when the scriptures were first translated into English, the Hebrew doesn't translate well into nearly all languages. So no double standard, atheist are the ones who pick and choose their own standards to fit the occasion even if it has to change within that occasion to suit their need. So the hypocrite would in all actuality be you.

GC

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Mosaic law was very harsh EG the death penalty for .......... a father had the right to kill a disrespectful child.

 
  There is no such commandment, study the scriptures and also the time in which these people lived and their customs.

GC

[Abaddon_ire]

I never knew that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" came with a bucket of exception clauses.

Double standard? Go look in a mirror, hypocrite.

 The commandment is "murder." We have a better understanding of the old Hebrew language than when the scriptures were first translated into English, the Hebrew doesn't translate well into nearly all languages. So no double standard, atheist are the ones who pick and choose their own standards to fit the occasion even if it has to change within that occasion to suit their need. So the hypocrite would in all actuality be you.

GC

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Mosaic law was very harsh EG the death penalty for .......... a father had the right to kill a disrespectful child.

 
  There is no such commandment, study the scriptures and also the time in which these people lived and their customs.

GC

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

What was that? A mere guideline?

[Cod]

Ah but you're taking that out of context! And also the translation from Hebrew is Scone not Stone. Also Vomit was mistranslated to Die.

[fredd bear]

Ah but you're taking that out of context! And also the translation from Hebrew is Scone not Stone. Also Vomit was mistranslated to Die.

 Seems like what's  his name is unaware that Mosaic Law consists of 613 commandments, not just 10.

They are all found in the Torah, mainly Leviticus and Deuteronomy, I think. To deny they exist is disingenuous; evangelicals especially just love to cherry pick Leviticus  about homosexuality. IE " Lev 18.22 and Lev 20.13

Lev. 18:22

• ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." (NASB)
  
• "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." (ESV, NKJV)
  

 Lev. 20:13

• "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them." (NASB)
  
• "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (ESV)
  

The 613 Commandments which make up mosaic law are  known collectively as the Mitzvot. (from 'mitzvah' meaning 'commandment')

[Fake Messiah]

Christians never learn

[Amarok]

he commandment is "murder." We have a better understanding of the old Hebrew language than when the scriptures were first translated into English, the Hebrew doesn't translate well into nearly all languages. So no double standard, atheist are the ones who pick and choose their own standards to fit the occasion even if it has to change within that occasion to suit their need. So the hypocrite would in all actuality be you.

GC

Nope to all the above

[Abaddon_ire]

Ah but you're taking that out of context! And also the translation from Hebrew is Scone not Stone. Also Vomit was mistranslated to Die.

So the correct interpretation is that we should force feed our unruly children with curranty cakes (jam and cream optional) until they are sick.

Makes sense.

Did god specify raisins or sultanas? Clotted cream or fresh from the cow? The devil is in the detail, you know.

[fredd bear]

Ah but you're taking that out of context! And also the translation from Hebrew is Scone not Stone. Also Vomit was mistranslated to Die.

So the correct interpretation is that we should force feed our unruly children with curranty cakes (jam and cream optional) until they are sick.

Makes sense.

Did god specify raisins or sultanas? Clotted cream or fresh from the cow? The devil is in the detail, you know.

 Easy mistakes I guess.

I've always wanted to know from whence comes the 72 virgins suicide bombers are promised. I suspect it's a mistranslation of a passage from  the Hadith.

---Anyway, I'm unconvinced that being 'given' 72 virgins would be much of a reward. The demands would be enough to give a bloke a complex.

 I  also have a tiny problem with the notion of being 'given' another human being. Suggest a really fucked up mindset  about women.[as objects].   A lot like the absolute Wahabi  Muslim country of Saudi Arabia. EG recently, women were graciously given the right to drive a motor vehicle.

There are actually a lot worse human beings on the planet than our pet Christians.