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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 15, 2019 at 12:26 pm
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 16, 2019 at 8:59 am
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(March 15, 2019 at 10:08 am)Drich Wrote: AGAIN (dumb ass) early Hebrews where not known as Hebrews.. the where Egyptians citizens.
You really should sometimes look into the Bible, Dircho, because "Hebrews" was clearly meant to be the designation of an ethnic or national group. This is seen by its usage in juxtaposition to such ethnic/national designations as Egyptians: "The Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews" (Genesis 43:32); Moses "saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew" (Exodus 2:11); it was reported to Pharaoh that "the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women" (Exodus 1:19).
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 17, 2019 at 11:25 am
I have always liked the end of the Armana period as an origin for the Exodus myth. A lot of things fit. The timing would work. You would have had a large group of people looking for someplace else to live as the city was abandoned. The priests of Aten in particular wouldn't have been very welcome as the priests of the other gods returned to power. Even the usage of the term slaves fits. Everyone who wasn't Pharaoh was referred to as Pharaoh's slaves during this time period.
But just because I like it doesn't make it true. The concept of one true god could have its origins in this period, but the evidence says the Jews wouldn't adopt a truly monotheistic religion for nearly 1000 years after the death of Akhenaten. That's a long time for that particular thought to have taken hold.
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 19, 2019 at 4:23 am
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 19, 2019 at 10:42 am
(March 16, 2019 at 8:59 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (March 15, 2019 at 10:08 am)Drich Wrote: AGAIN (dumb ass) early Hebrews where not known as Hebrews.. the where Egyptians citizens.
You really should sometimes look into the Bible, Dircho, because "Hebrews" was clearly meant to be the designation of an ethnic or national group. This is seen by its usage in juxtaposition to such ethnic/national designations as Egyptians: "The Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews" (Genesis 43:32); Moses "saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew" (Exodus 2:11); it was reported to Pharaoh that "the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women" (Exodus 1:19).
So when you see a native black person in the streets of a major city in america do you say there goes an american or an african american? When you see a native born chinese person wandering the streets of an american city how do you identify them? So even if you where to say american first... 4000 years ago they where not concerned with being PC. To the Jews like today or even before WWII while living as german citizens they saw themselves as jews first. then germans. During WWI germany saw their jews as germans first and they where made to fight right along side german born citizens! When we fought the jews in WWI we didn't fight german jews and regular germans we fought germany, yet to the jews in germany they where jews first.. this line was made more real upon their exodus to the camps in WWII just like in egypt when they left.. (kinda in reverse as they left egypt in pride but left germany beaten and broken.)
During WWI german jew and german fought side by side and where awarded the same medals Just like when times where good in egypt. when God's people where making egypt a super power they where welcome as brothers.. but much time had past and the pharaoh of the exodus did not know of joseph and or what egypt owed him. So they were dehumanized like in WWII germany and segregated becoming 'hebrew' again.
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 19, 2019 at 10:49 am
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None of that happened. Magic book is not an account of history.
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 19, 2019 at 10:52 am
and as far as jews being slaves IF you read exodus 1 the jews becoming slaves did not happen till their very end of their time in egypt. so that beggs the question what where they doing for the centuries prior? They where citizens! Citizens of another race yes, but only if there where at least one other example in the history of the world where one country had more than one race of citizens to show as an example of how they officially could be identified as members of a nation but still retain their identity as sons of abraham!
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RE: The origins of Mesopotamian monotheism.
March 19, 2019 at 10:57 am
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No statement that begins with "if you read exodus" is going to amount to a cogent comment on reality.
LOL, "well, if you read the book, you'd know that in the kelvin timeline...." 
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