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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 10:42 am
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(April 10, 2019 at 10:09 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Look at this, god turns out to be a being with a will, foreordained, no less
Why did you bullshit us before, Acro? Looks like you were trying to hide your own baggage.
Meaning is being, with a will foreordained no less.
Good is being, with a will foreordained no less.
I’m not hiding anything, I’m just tryin to show why I’m talking about one thing, and not two things when speaking of meaning, or god.
You can accuse me of elevating meaning, good, love, etc to that status of God, but the point is to realize that when I speak of meaning, it’s not something god endows the world with in addition to who he is, but rather that meaning is who god is.
That it’s all just one thing.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 10:49 am
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Your posts exist. Anyone can read them. You bullshitted us, it was a silly lie.
Now god is a who and a he....the hits just keep coming.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 10:51 am
(April 10, 2019 at 10:38 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Many people have tried to improve your understanding on these various issues, but you are not interested in this.
Judging that your entire post avoided responding to anything I said directly, it wouldn’t even qualify as “trying”. It’s just peacocking.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 10:52 am
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Is god "the belief that life has meaning"
Or is god a who and a he with a will that's foreordained amounting to our fates that created this world and is, thus, the source of your moral and meaning intuitions..and flowers?
In short, is god a belief that atheists and theists alike can share or reject, or is god a god? The thing that atheists don't believe in. Take your time, and save your bullshit for someone else.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 10:53 am
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(April 9, 2019 at 10:48 am)Acrobat Wrote: (April 9, 2019 at 10:24 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Then I suppose it’s s good thing I’m not putting forth an argument for nihilism. I’m pointing out that appealing to things like love, empathy, and meaning as evidence for god is an argument from ignorance. These things are not problems or puzzles of the natural world that need solving.
Then we have a problem. I’m not putting forth an argument against evolution, or the natural world. I’m putting forth an argument against nihilism, since you asked why nihilism makes less sense of such things.
Again, people can find meaning in their lives without their being some objective meaning spun into place by a god. Even if god created people and assigned meaning to everyone’s existence, it’d still be subjective meaning; it would be the meaning god decided on.
Quote:...what?
Quote:Imagine if I gave you an infinite amount of traditional legos, and gave you an infinite amount of time, and tasked you with making me a working iPhone. You couldn’t. Because no matter how many endless combinations you could assemble, none of them could result in a working iPhone. The reason being, is because legos lack the potential to be iPhones. You may actualize an endless variety of lego combinations, but since the lego blocks lack the potential to become an iPhone, you are not able to make one.
Evolution like yourself in this example actualizes certain potentials of matter (lego blocks). But the potential is a feature inherent to the raw material/matter itself. Absent of such potentials none of this is possible.
Sure...okay. No objections to the above.
Quote:That’s a bizarrely formed question. How does it follow that because we seek something to live for, therefore objective meaning and god exist?
Quote:It’s a pretty straightforward question. And it was related to your question as to why nihilism makes less sense.
Does nihilism make better sense in a reality absent of a desire for meaning, or one in which such a desire exists?
The answer is, it makes better sense in a reality absent of such a desire, then one like ours where such a desire exists. If reality possess meaning, it makes sense why creatures like ourselves would desire to find it, or seek it. Why we’re not merely seeking for ways to survive and reproduce, but in finding something to live for.
Sure, so again, I’m not sure what this has to do with objective meaning, or a god. If your offering up a human desire for meaning as an argument for objective meaning, then you’re simply arguing in a circle. My life have meaning to to me. Why does there need to be some assignment of meaning to my life by someone else?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 11:15 am
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(April 10, 2019 at 10:03 am)Acrobat Wrote: And the Bible ought to be read like any other book—
Ahh...and there it is. It always come back to the same first premise with you guys, doesn’t it? “I got this book, see...”
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 11:16 am
(April 10, 2019 at 11:15 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 10, 2019 at 10:03 am)Acrobat Wrote: And the Bible ought to be read like any other book—
Ahh...and there it is. It always come back to the same first premise with you guys, doesn’t it? “I got this book, see...”
I’m not sure what you mean?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 11:48 am
(April 10, 2019 at 11:16 am)Acrobat Wrote: (April 10, 2019 at 11:15 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Ahh...and there it is. It always come back to the same first premise with you guys, doesn’t it? “I got this book, see...”
I’m not sure what you mean?
Are you a Christian?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 12:04 pm
(April 10, 2019 at 11:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 10, 2019 at 11:16 am)Acrobat Wrote: I’m not sure what you mean?
Are you a Christian? Sure
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm
(April 10, 2019 at 12:04 pm)Acrobat Wrote: (April 10, 2019 at 11:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Are you a Christian? Sure
Lol, so then what is all this nonsense about the extra baggage atheists bring to the discussion? Looks like it was your baggage all along.
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