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Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
One dragon, 3 arrows, 3 different places from where they came... one at 90 degrees from the others?! 90 degrees?! where?! The fleet was all huddled together!
TV writers... they just had to ruin a good story.
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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 6, 2019 at 6:49 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 6:11 am)Amarok Wrote:
Yup emotional rollercoaster and Dany's is in all kinds of trouble .

Dany has been quite busy this season not making friends/allies.
I have a terrible feeling she's going to do something she will regret . On the other hand that bitch Cersei is likely to die so......

(May 6, 2019 at 3:49 pm)pocaracas Wrote: One dragon, 3 arrows, 3 different places from where they came... one at 90 degrees from the others?! 90 degrees?! where?! The fleet was all huddled together!
TV writers... they just had to ruin a good story.
They have scorpions on the walls too

(May 6, 2019 at 8:08 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: So, Daenerys legitimized Gendry as a Baratheon... Because - I guess - it wasn't enough for her, that Jon has a "secret" claim to the Throne as a Targaryen. Now there's also a Baratheon, who may be loyal to her and may not want the crown - but then that's the same as Jon and she's freaking out about his lineage. And Gendri's claim seems pretty strong, since the last legitimate king of Westeros was Robert Baratheon, his father. While Jon's claim relies on a secret marriage ceremony, that changes the history as it's commonly known to most citizens of Westeros, happened long time ago and everyone involved has been dead for ages. Maybe that's a ploy, an effort to turn Jon and Gendri against each other, in case either of them decides to challenge her position on the Iron Throne?...

Another dragon goes down like a b*tch. One would think, that having the ability to fly would give you an advantage, when it comes to spotting an enemy fleet, approaching under full sails. But I guess it was a funny angle, or something...

Misande is gone. What a blow... Why do we care about her at all, again? I mean - except for being a translator in Slaver's Bay and a girlfriend of a eunuch, which was amusing for a bit, sure - what has she contributed to the overall plot? Well, maybe her death will at least contribute to Daenerys turning evil.
The fleet was behind an island and she wasn't high enough to spot it let alone know it was packing a weapon that could kill a dragon  and Misande was super sweet and a close friend of Dany. Not every character is defined by contribution.

(May 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: No spoiler tags.
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Dany: Things are playing out pretty much how I thought they would from a wide angle: Dany is feeling isolated, everyone is loving the Starks, and they even gave voice to the idea that the one best suited to rule may be the one who doesn't want to.  That statement following on the heals of Sam's question of whether Dany would give up her throne to save her people and the events at the end of the episode lead one to think that she's going to be making bad choices in next week's episode.

Gendry: Lord of Storm's End, huh? Good for him!  Totally the wrong move the propose to Arya, though.  I did expect him to counter her "I'm not a lady" with "You're my lady" but maybe that's too much to ask after you've just had your heart stomped.

Arya: She's headed back south, off on another road trip with the Hound!  Good times Smile Thought her comment that she was never coming back North again ominous, on one hand, but interesting on another: she made the comment "What's west of Westeros?" a while ago so I'm thinking she's off on more adventures after this.

Sansa: Sharing Jon's secret with Tyrion, hmm.  You just knew that she wasn't going to keep it a secret but still.  She's setting some things in motion here.  I also loved her comment to Jaime that she's disappointed that she won't get to see Cersei executed; she got into his head big time!  Also, so many people have marches south to kill Cersei that it's funny that one of the ones with the best thematic/character rationale for killing her is staying behind in the North.

The Hound: He's a grumpy fucker, isn't he?  I've been thinking that he's kind of found his pack in the men of the north and that he was starting to, not soften but maybe just become more accepting and accepted, but it turns out he's a loner.  He's also got unfinished business in the south with his brother.  I liked the scenes he had with both Sansa and Arya.

Brienne: Loved seeing her cut loose a little bit.  It's really odd to see Gwen's big ol' toothy smile on Brienne's face but it was good.  I'm glad that she got what she wanted and had her night(s) with Jaime but it was heart breaking to see him leave her.  That moment was really well acted.

Jaime: Jaime, Jaime, Jaime... He's got a Cersei problem. I get the feeling that he's sort of the flip side of Theon in a way: They both have committed some unredeemable acts but whereas Theon was making active efforts to atone for his past actions and rectify what he could, Jaime more like stumbled into redemption but didn't believe in himself enough to grab hold of it and carry it forward.  Theon saw himself as having done evil and saw that he could do better whereas Jaime sees himself as having done evil and not deserving the good he has gotten since then.

Tyrion: He's back! The old, saucy, playful Tyrion of the past came back to play for a while! Loved seeing him interacting with Jaime and Brienne.  His chumminess with his brother didn't bode well for Dany's feelings of isolation though.  And his later thoughtfulness about what to do about Jon's claim was good to see.  His conversations with Varys were fun to watch.

Varys: Good ol' Varys, defender of the the realm.  I like that even though he's pledged himself to Dany, he's living up to his word to her that he would look her in the eyes and tell her she's making a mistake.  I hope, for the sake of the realm, that she listens to him after the end of the episode.

OMG.  Is Varys going to be the first elected leader of the seven kingdoms??? Big Grin

Rhaegal: That was shocking.  Didn't see that coming at all.

Euron: He's a fucking lunatic. I can't wait for his coming mental breakdown when Jaime turns up and Cersei tells him the baby is Jaime's.

Cersei: On the one hand I didn't expect her to execute Tyrion with the archers but on the other I didn't except his pleas about her baby to have quite that effect on her.  I was also thinking that Jaime would be coming south and eventually claiming his child and parenting his first child, but Cersei isn't showing and there are two episodes left... Me thinks that not likely at this point unless the last episode is like an epilogue and Cersei was kept alive until the birth and then execute.  Boring. Please to do that, GOT!

Missandei: A little melodramatic when Greyworm realizes that she's captured.  Also, her last word doesn't bode well for Dany's mental state or the state of the capital.

Lots and lots going on in this episode!  This is definitely a re-watcher!

(May 2, 2019 at 9:28 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I don't think fighting them during the day was an option.  The dead weren't waiting for dawn so there wasn't much choice but to go with their timetable on that.

I agree that the living were fighting by the dead's time table, but the way they executed that battle was poorly thought through.

(May 6, 2019 at 8:08 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: So, Daenerys legitimized Gendry as a Baratheon... Because - I guess - it wasn't enough for her, that Jon has a "secret" claim to the Throne as a Targaryen. Now there's also a Baratheon, who may be loyal to her and may not want the crown - but then that's the same as Jon and she's freaking out about his lineage. And Gendri's claim seems pretty strong, since the last legitimate king of Westeros was Robert Baratheon, his father. While Jon's claim relies on a secret marriage ceremony, that changes the history as it's commonly known to most citizens of Westeros, happened long time ago and everyone involved has been dead for ages. Maybe that's a ploy, an effort to turn Jon and Gendri against each other, in case either of them decides to challenge her position on the Iron Throne?...

I don't think Dany sees Gendry as a legitimate threat - not legitimate in that he's not Robert Baratheon's child, but legitimate in that Gendry doesn't want to be king and wouldn't pursue it.

Quote:Another dragon goes down like a b*tch. One would think, that having the ability to fly would give you an advantage, when it comes to spotting an enemy fleet, approaching under full sails. But I guess it was a funny angle, or something...

I got the feeling that Dany was just distracted watching Rhaegal flying and didn't see the fleet.  They were hidden out of sight of the rest of the navy and Dany was distracted. Confusedhrug:

Quote:Misande is gone. What a blow... Why do we care about her at all, again? I mean - except for being a translator in Slaver's Bay and a girlfriend of a eunuch, which was amusing for a bit, sure - what has she contributed to the overall plot? Well, maybe her death will at least contribute to Daenerys turning evil.

We care because she had a close relationship with Dany and her death increases Dany's sense of isolation and sours her emotional state even more.  At least, that's the read I got on why we should care about Missandei's death.

(May 6, 2019 at 8:29 am)Fierce Wrote: Episode Four


Excellent recap. Big Grin
I agree with all of this
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
So... I gave up on the story at the release of book 4 by George R.R. back in the day..

So, they've killed off two of the three ONLY dragons in the world?

Have they indicated if the last one is female?

Have the three had time to get jiggy?

If not then the magic of the world is totally screwed... again.

Yup... why my feelings for Martin and the show writers is about the level of "They can simply perish in a fire for all I care."

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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 6, 2019 at 4:26 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So... I gave up on the story at the release of book 4 by George R.R. back in the day..

So, they've killed off two of the three ONLY dragons in the world?

Have they indicated if the last one is female?

Have the three had time to get jiggy?

If not then the magic of the world is totally screwed... again.

Yup... why my feelings for Martin and the show writers is about the level of "They can simply perish in a fire for all I care."

Not at work.
I point out in the "known " world
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 6, 2019 at 4:29 pm)Amarok Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 4:26 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So... I gave up on the story at the release of book 4 by George R.R. back in the day..

So, they've killed off two of the three ONLY dragons in the world?

Have they indicated if the last one is female?

Have the three had time to get jiggy?

If not then the magic of the world is totally screwed... again.

Yup... why my feelings for Martin and the show writers is about the level of "They can simply perish in a fire for all I care."
I point out in the "known " world

  Huh 

 Uhm..... okay?

Not at work.
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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 6, 2019 at 5:11 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 4:29 pm)Amarok Wrote: I point out in the "known " world

  Huh 

 Uhm..... okay?

Not at work.
I mean as far as we know they are the only dragons there are plenty of unexplored lands in GOT
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 6, 2019 at 5:16 pm)Amarok Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 5:11 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:   Huh 

 Uhm..... okay?
I mean as far as we know they are the only dragons there are plenty of unexplored lands in GOT

Oh I do get that.

Kind of.

Been years (Possibly literally) since I've read the books.

The map of the world that's floating around on line has always struck me as... "Wrong".

It doesn't look like a proper piece of topography at all.

Now... how you hide (Or not notice? Or something?) a giant, flying, fire breathing Tank/A-10 would seem a stretch.   ¯\_()_/¯

Still... I do not give a rat's petunia in regards to anything by George R.R. Martin and company.

Looking forwards to 'The Witcher" and such instead.

Smile

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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: I don't think Dany sees Gendry as a legitimate threat - not legitimate in that he's not Robert Baratheon's child, but legitimate in that Gendry doesn't want to be king and wouldn't pursue it.

How does she know that? She barely knows the guy and the way she looks at him - she clearly has a problem with him. And what does that matter what he wants anyway? When Jon says, that he doesn't want to be king and won't pursue his claim, Daenerys screams that it won't be up to him - and she's right. Gendri was a threat even as a bastard, especially that people of Westeros don't really seem to give a crap about tradition, lineages and legitimate successions lately. They'll crown pretty much anybody with a head, it seems. And if the lords of Westeros decide in the near future, that they don't really want to be ruled by another blonde b*tch and rebel against her - now they'll have a legitimate Baratheon Lord to gather behind and to install on the Iron Throne, even if Jon Snow dies, or his real identity remains a secret somehow.

That's why I'm faintly hoping, that Daenerys means to play Jon and Gendri against each other, or at least have the option, if one of them (most likely Jon) becomes too much of a threat to her
rule. But I'm not holding my breath, because quite possibly she is just dumb and inconsistent - or rather written that way.

(May 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: I got the feeling that Dany was just distracted watching Rhaegal flying and didn't see the fleet.  They were hidden out of sight of the rest of the navy and Dany was distracted. Confusedhrug:

Well, she must have been watching Rhaegal for a long time, because those huge black sails would have been visible from miles away. And what fleet drops anchor without scouting the area first and checking if they aren't about to be attacked?

(May 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: We care because she had a close relationship with Dany and her death increases Dany's sense of isolation and sours her emotional state even more.  At least, that's the read I got on why we should care about Missandei's death.

Meh... She lost more than half of her army and two of her dragons, her boyfriend turned out to be an heir to her throne and his people hate her, despite everything she's done and sacrificed to save them. And I'm supposed to believe, that what pushes her over the edge is the death of just some girl, with whom she occasionally talked about their boyfriends' c*cks? I get the idea, but it still seems like bad writing and a poor effort to artificially inflate the stakes, at this late stage of the story. And it makes no sense whatsoever, that Cersei wouldn't kill Tyrion, when she had the chance - at least that would have had some dramatic effect. The show killing off minor characters and acting like it's meant to shock the viewer - as has been the case lately - is pretty laughable, considering how many seemingly important characters died in early seasons.
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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
Quote: Well, she must have been watching Rhaegal for a long time, because those huge black sails would have been visible from miles away. And what fleet drops anchor without scouting the area first and checking if they aren't about to be attacked?
1.Accept once again they were behind an island and thus out of view 

2. why would they have scouted ahead as there was reason to believe they had a fleet there and second I point out they have a dragon so what fleet could possibly be a threat .

3. And even if she saw the fleet it wouldn't matter because again she has a dragon and there was no way they could have known they had equipped their ships with scorpions .

Quote:And I'm supposed to believe, that what pushes her over the edge is the death of just some girl, with whom she occasionally talked about their boyfriends' c*cks?
Who was one of her most trusted confidence and one of her loyal servants and your missing the point that this was the last straw .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]
(May 7, 2019 at 8:09 am)Amarok Wrote:
Quote: Well, she must have been watching Rhaegal for a long time, because those huge black sails would have been visible from miles away. And what fleet drops anchor without scouting the area first and checking if they aren't about to be attacked?
1.Accept once again they were behind an island and thus out of view 

2. why would they have scouted ahead as there was reason to believe they had a fleet there and second I point out they have a dragon so what fleet could possibly be a threat .

3. And even if she saw the fleet it wouldn't matter because again she has a dragon and there was no way they could have known they had equipped their ships with scorpions .

Seriously? Cersei/Euron's army had how long to prep for the Dragon Queen? She'd have to be ridiculously stupid not to expect the army to be equipped with anti-dragon weaponry, especially considering that Bronn already used a prototype when she first invaded and she saw him using it.
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