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Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
#11
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 10:45 am)Brian37 Wrote: I have long since ditched this horrible logic theists sell.

"Obey me or burn in hell, your choice".

Yea, funny how no sane person would buy that from an abusive spouse if their partner wanted to leave them.

Robber, "Give me your wallet, and I'll let you live. But, choose to keep it, I'll kill you and take it anyway."

That is not a choice, that is emotional blackmail.

so have i.

we don't burn because we do not obey.

None of us can obey is the point.

So God changed the rules with Christ. it is not about obedience, but about love. 

If we can love our God with all of our ability, and our neighbors as our selves we complete or accomplish all the law has to say.

Bologna.

Sorry, cant ignore the parts in the NT where he demands you abandon your family and friends if they don't kiss is butt. Nor can you ignore where he says that he brings not peace, but a sword. Not to mention God/himself/Jesus, the same three headed being, goes right back to genocide and violence at the end of the book. 

And why even Jesus at all? The flood was supposed to get everyone to behave. 

Those stories never happened and the entire book is a book of mythology, written in an age of kings whom would punish you for lack of loyalty.
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#12
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
I see Drich is not dead after all. I know this by the avalanche of bullshit he dropped on us.
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#13
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
The threat of hell is not corrective as an motif, it is a threat of revenge for lack of loyalty. In modern reality our morality is far better in the west. If I disobey my parents as a kid, they are not allowed to beat the shit out of me. If a wife or girlfriend want to leave their boyfriend, they cant beat the shit out of her or murder her.

The God character is a reflection of the authoritarian rule most humans in antiquity lived under.
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#14
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
Quote:In modern reality our morality is far better in the west. If I disobey my parents as a kid, they are not allowed to beat the shit out of me. If a wife or girlfriend want to leave their boyfriend, they cant beat the shit out of her or murder her.

That's not morality, that's law.

What's to stop people from beating a child or an ex?

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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#15
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 10:56 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote: so have i.

we don't burn because we do not obey.

None of us can obey is the point.

So God changed the rules with Christ. it is not about obedience, but about love. 

If we can love our God with all of our ability, and our neighbors as our selves we complete or accomplish all the law has to say.

Bologna.

Sorry, cant ignore the parts in the NT where he demands you abandon your family and friends if they don't kiss is butt. Nor can you ignore where he says that he brings not peace, but a sword. Not to mention God/himself/Jesus, the same three headed being, goes right back to genocide and violence at the end of the book. 

And why even Jesus at all? The flood was supposed to get everyone to behave. 

Those stories never happened and the entire book is a book of mythology, written in an age of kings whom would punish you for lack of loyalty.

this is what happenes when you don't read the bible for yourselves. good glob people..

These where all instances when people came to Jesus Himself and asked to personally be a disciple, or he is giving instruction a to whom to look for in a disciple... Meaning what it would take to be one of the 12 or one of the many outside the inner twelve. not a simple follower or worshiper of Christ.

look at the 5000 he fed, did he impose those regulation on any of them? was any of this apart of the sermon on the mount/be attitudes? no

A handful of people came up and want to be apart of the entourage of Christ and what he said here was what would be required of them personally. Or in the case of mat 10 sent the 12 out with a list of things to look for in other disciples.

And in that case he is right, and it goes along with what I said. Got to love God first and formost. then your neighbor as yourself. Can't put the love of your parents first. What happens is if you learn to love God first you ablity of love will so increase that even in second place after God you will be able to love you parents that much more than if you where to love them with all that you are now.

The Flood was meant to destroy all non human/hybrid abomination life the cross between angel/demons and man. They produced such evil the world has never known before or since. All that is left is man with a soul.

This book subjected kings, meaning kings had to oppose the followers of this book or become one. so it doesnot follow that this book would be a tool looking to be used as a point of subjegation.

(May 6, 2019 at 10:59 am)LastPoet Wrote: I see Drich is not dead after all. I know this by the avalanche of bullshit he dropped on us.

no my father died. I was just busy settling his affairs.

(May 6, 2019 at 11:00 am)Brian37 Wrote: The threat of hell is not corrective as an motif, it is a threat of revenge for lack of loyalty. In modern reality our morality is far better in the west. If I disobey my parents as a kid, they are not allowed to beat the  shit out of me. If a wife or girlfriend want to leave their boyfriend, they cant beat the shit out of her or murder her.

The God character is a reflection of the authoritarian rule most humans in antiquity lived under.

And if the bible does not use the threat of Hell as a motavator for eternial life?

You are describing man's religious efforts for the pat 2000 years.

Hell of the bible was created for satan as a tomb of everlasting punishment. for us it is our end/final grave or destruction. Those who teach hell as a motivator do so as a matter of tradition and not through scripture as Jesus taught.

God spent most of the time pushing heaven as an opportunity to serve as a King of your own personal kingdom.
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 8:49 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: So many xtians today seem to live by the principle that it’s easier to get god’s forgiveness than his permission. You tell yourselves that you’re not perfect, just forgiven, and then you ask me to go to church with you or encourage me to read the bible. Why?

I have an easy answer to that.

"You want me to go to a place that abuses children as a matter of course and then covers it up on foot of a magic book that I have read cover to cover and you have not. Does this seem reasonable to you? To anyone sane?"

It tends to shut them right up.
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#17
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 10:45 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 9:59 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: same difference.

I have long since ditched this horrible logic theists sell.

"Obey me or burn in hell, your choice".

Yea, funny how no sane person would buy that from an abusive spouse if their partner wanted to leave them.

Robber, "Give me your wallet, and I'll let you live. But, choose to keep it, I'll kill you and take it anyway."

That is not a choice, that is emotional blackmail.
It's emotional extortion. Drippy's version of christinsanity is no better. It defeats their claim to moral superiority. They reject empathy as a grounds for moral behavior, but the god they created can offer them nothing better, so they come up with some chicken shit philosophy about grace.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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#18
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 11:19 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:In modern reality our morality is far better in the west. If I disobey my parents as a kid, they are not allowed to beat the shit out of me. If a wife or girlfriend want to leave their boyfriend, they cant beat the shit out of her or murder her.

That's not morality, that's law.

What's to stop people from beating a child or an ex?

Boru

not a law here.. thankfully we can still beat our children as God intended. If you Spare the rod or use the rod sparingly you will spoil or make the child no good.
Dead Horse

In more civilized eastern cultures public beating of not only children but adults have all but eliminated minor crimes. (like spitting gum out on the side walk for instance, and what's more major crimes are almost exclusively perpetrated by foreigners or organized crime.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39991606

The point is morality becomes law. 

good or evil depends on where you live. here it is evil to beat.. there in the east and middle east it is immoral not to beat.

What makes one right and the other wrong?

Self righteousness.

Depends on what culture you are from, and remember no one is ever wrong in matters of good and evil when it is based on self righteousness.

So to us because we are self righteous/use our selfs as standards of right and wrong. eastern cultures are evil. and to those in the east who do not beat adulterous women and gays we are evil to allow such people to be celebrated in our culture/going unpunished.
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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#19
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 1:15 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 11:19 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's not morality, that's law.

What's to stop people from beating a child or an ex?

Boru

not a law here.. thankfully we can still beat our children as God intended. If you Spare the rod or use the rod sparingly you will spoil or make the child no good.
Dead Horse

In more civilized eastern cultures public beating of not only children but adults have all but eliminated minor crimes. (like spitting gum out on the side walk for instance, and what's more major crimes are almost exclusively perpetrated by foreigners or organized crime.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39991606

The point is morality becomes law. 

good or evil depends on where you live. here it is evil to beat.. there in the east and middle east it is immoral not to beat.

What makes one right and the other wrong?

Self righteousness.

Depends on what culture you are from, and remember no one is ever wrong in matters of good and evil when it is based on self righteousness.

So to us because we are self righteous/use our selfs as standards of right and wrong. eastern cultures are evil. and to those in the east who do not beat adulterous women and gays we are evil to allow such people to be celebrated in our culture/going unpunished.

Fuck you, fuck your God and fuck your stupid fucking Bible. Anyone who beats a child is a brutalizing monster who should be locked up.

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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#20
RE: Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You
(May 6, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(May 6, 2019 at 10:45 am)Brian37 Wrote: I have long since ditched this horrible logic theists sell.

"Obey me or burn in hell, your choice".

Yea, funny how no sane person would buy that from an abusive spouse if their partner wanted to leave them.

Robber, "Give me your wallet, and I'll let you live. But, choose to keep it, I'll kill you and take it anyway."

That is not a choice, that is emotional blackmail.
It's emotional extortion. Drippy's version of christinsanity is no better.  It defeats their claim to moral superiority. They reject empathy as a grounds for moral behavior, but the god they created can offer them nothing better, so they come up with some chicken shit philosophy about grace.
You say the bible offer somthing better than a doctrine of legalism but do not to describe or refute any point I made as to how it is not better.

You don't seem to understand any of the foundational points I made but it seems you have blindly made up your mind you still don't like it anyway.


Again this is not an obey or die construct.

This is a come with me if you want to live situation. if not just stay where you are at and the zombie horde will be by shortly to consume you
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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