Pence goes on "Poor Me" tour....

[Pat Mustard]

Read the article.  I'm sure what was objectionable about what Pence said.

Boru

The first thing that jumps to mind is him bitching about when his wife got rightly called out for going back to work at an anti-LGBT school. Then the bullshit about it being hard to call yourself a christian in today's USA (when it becomes a disadvantage to be publically christian to gain public office, rather than the current advantage that it is, I'll entertain that idea). Then the "protect religious liberty" bullshit, which is a dog-whistle for "only my brand of christianity will be accepted in the America I will build for me!" And finally the fact that he is speaking at "Liberty" "University" the US version of the madrassas which spit out al-Qaeda and ISIS fanatics.

[Brian37]

Read the article.  I'm not sure what was objectionable about what Pence said.

Boru

Wow.

I used to live in Lynchburg Va, for almost a decade. I know that family history, and it goes way back to the days of segregation, when daddy discriminated to far more groups than just LGBT. Pence is part of that old white conservative mindset. He has no defense, he supports an asshole who supports discrimination against LGBT. 

Pence didn't go there to say, "We are different and should celebrate diversity"...... Pence went there to cry about how the sane are challenging his bigotry and privilege. He was throwing red meat to assholes.

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Two of the professors who taught at the college I graduated from, wrote this book about Jerry Falwell Sr.

Jr does not have a very different view than daddy had. He may hide lots of the prior bigotry daddy sold, but it is still there in that family.

https://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Falwell-Wil...B0012GEAHU

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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Read the article.  I'm sure what was objectionable about what Pence said.

Boru

The first thing that jumps to mind is him bitching about when his wife got rightly called out for going back to work at an anti-LGBT school.  Then the bullshit about it being hard to call yourself a christian in today's USA (when it becomes a disadvantage to be publically christian to gain public office, rather than the current advantage that it is, I'll entertain that idea).  Then the "protect religious liberty" bullshit, which is a dog-whistle for "only my brand of christianity will be accepted in the America I will build for me!"  And finally the fact that he is speaking at "Liberty" "University" the US version of the madrassas which spit out al-Qaeda and ISIS fanatics.

Whether the criticism of his wife was deserved or not (and I think it was), what he actually said was, 'When my wife, Karen, returned to teach art at an elementary Christian school earlier this year, we faced harsh attacks by the media and the secular left,' which is perfectly true.  He followed up with, 'These attacks on Christian education are un-American', which is also true.  How are these objectionable?


'It didn’t even occur to people that you might be shunned or ridiculed for defending the teachings of the Bible' is perfectly true.  A century ago, the idea that Christians would be called out for defending the Bible seems unthinkable.  Today, it's commonplace.

I can't really respond to the rest, since it is either what he didn't say, or something you're reading in to what he did say.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Read the article.  I'm not sure what was objectionable about what Pence said.

Boru

Wow.

I used to live in Lynchburg Va, for almost a decade. I know that family history, and it goes way back to the days of segregation, when daddy discriminated to far more groups than just LGBT. Pence is part of that old white conservative mindset. He has no defense, he supports an asshole who supports discrimination against LGBT. 

Pence didn't go there to say, "We are different and should celebrate diversity"...... Pence went there to cry about how the sane are challenging his bigotry and privilege. He was throwing red meat to assholes.

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Two of the professors who taught at the college I graduated from, wrote this book about Jerry Falwell Sr.

Jr does not have a very different view than daddy had. He may hide lots of the prior bigotry daddy sold, but it is still there in that family.

https://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Falwell-Wil...B0012GEAHU

Which has nothing to do with what I asked.  Good job.

Boru

[Brian37]

And even on issues of abortion Pence, and the Falwell family are hypocrites. They currently love to support Israel, but read that book, and you'll find out the Falwell Family wasn't always so friendly to Jews. But even today, the right are hypocrites on the issue of abortion knowing that our ally Israel has very liberal abortion laws.

The only reason our Evangelical right wing supports Israel is because it supports the end times story where Christians get into heaven once Israel becomes a state. Problem with that story is, it comes at the cost of the genocide of everyone else.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And even on issues of abortion Pence, and the Falwell family are hypocrites. They currently love to support Israel, but read that book, and you'll find out the Falwell Family wasn't always so friendly to Jews. But even today, the right are hypocrites on the issue of abortion knowing that our ally Israel has very liberal abortion laws.

The only reason our Evangelical right wing supports Israel is because it supports the end times story where Christians get into heaven once Israel becomes a state. Problem with that story is, it comes at the cost of the genocide of everyone else.

Again, good job.  You ignore the point like the champion you are.

Boru

[Brian37]

And even on issues of abortion Pence, and the Falwell family are hypocrites. They currently love to support Israel, but read that book, and you'll find out the Falwell Family wasn't always so friendly to Jews. But even today, the right are hypocrites on the issue of abortion knowing that our ally Israel has very liberal abortion laws.

The only reason our Evangelical right wing supports Israel is because it supports the end times story where Christians get into heaven once Israel becomes a state. Problem with that story is, it comes at the cost of the genocide of everyone else.

Again, good job.  You ignore the point like the champion you are.

Boru

Pence supports policies that discriminate against LGBT. He supports a president who has made attempts to reverse the progress that has been made. 

I did not ignore the point. You simply focus on one event and don't take the long term context into account.

Keep staring at my finger when I point at the moon.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Pence supports policies that discriminate against LGBT.

Wrong. With the exception of bats and a few seals, New Zealand has no native mammals.

He supports a president who has made attempts to reverse the progress that has been made. 

I have a friend who's a farrier.

I did not ignore the point.

Not true.  The reason George Washington's father didn't punish him over the cherry tree incident was that, even at six years old, little Georgie was big for his age and was still holding on to the hatchet.

You simply focus on one event and don't take the long term context into account.

But MOST women are able to return to their normal routines just 7-10 after breast augmentation surgery.

Keep staring at my finger when I point at the moon.

Probably chicken in a saffron glaze.  You?

Boru

[Brian37]

Read the article.  I'm sure what was objectionable about what Pence said.

Boru

The first thing that jumps to mind is him bitching about when his wife got rightly called out for going back to work at an anti-LGBT school.  Then the bullshit about it being hard to call yourself a christian in today's USA (when it becomes a disadvantage to be publically christian to gain public office, rather than the current advantage that it is, I'll entertain that idea).  Then the "protect religious liberty" bullshit, which is a dog-whistle for "only my brand of christianity will be accepted in the America I will build for me!"  And finally the fact that he is speaking at "Liberty" "University" the US version of the madrassas which spit out al-Qaeda and ISIS fanatics.

Hey Boru, here is someone in the same thread pointing out the same thing I was.

I only added to this point, that this is part of a long term deep seeded fear and bigotry and insecurity coming from the right.

Pence did not go there to defend equality or freedom, he went there to defend a desire to have a social pecking order in which his sect and interpretation of his bible serves as public policy.

[Mermaid]

Read the article.  I'm not sure what was objectionable about what Pence said.

Boru

I'm gonna go with this: 

Mike Pence tells Liberty University graduates to prepare to be 'shunned,' 'ridiculed' for being a Christian

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“But things are different now,” he continued, adding that “some of the loudest voices for tolerance today have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs. Be ready.”