[split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

In that scenario, where is the deterrent factor of armed teachers?  It hasn't deterred anything.

Boru

No It's not a deterrence AT THAT POINT where the little monster is shooting at people. At that point -- having the fastest response possible with deadly force is the best response -- and this is the tactic that a majority of police agencies are now employing.

But they have to travel to get there.

The teachers are already there. And THEY CAN BE TRAINED. Perfect? No. Better in my opinion than cowering and waiting for minutes while the carnage ensues.

Where an armed teacher IS a deterrent is before the shooting. A coward is more likely to attack if he knows all of his potential victims are unarmed. Cowards LOVE those " gun free" signs...

If a school has a policy of armed teachers, and the students know that some of the teachers are armed, and this is a deterrent before the shooting, why did your little monster jump out and start shooting in the first place?  Why wasn't he deterred?

Boru

[Brian37]

What criteria do they select then?

Can be ideological - They hate a certain groups therefore target place that group hangs out

Can be a place they were hurt thus they are motivated by revenge  -  School shooters generally target their own schools were they were they believed bullied  or ostracized  or a school that holds some significance to someone who hurt them.

Can be a place they will get the most attention -Remember most of these nut jobs want attention

Those are just examples mind you their are plenty more

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We can focus on mass shooters and we should, but the bulk of firearm fatalities are suicides, second would  be domestic violence, 3rd would be accidental, mostly being children getting access to their parents gun. All types of firearm injury and deaths are important. 

This is why motive really irritates me. That is only important short term in each case to the investigators. Long term access is the issue regardless.

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^^^^^^^ Yep, this is what both conservative and liberal law students learn, but what most laypeople don't learn in civics classes.

That is why Amendments can be added or removed. The founders knew times would change.

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Neither have I, but then again, I don't hang out with anyone who boasts a firearm in public when they don't have a job that requires it.

And I don't own one myself. I figure if someone wants me dead bad enough, it is far more likely they'd ambush me before I could draw a firearm anyway.

A lot like a shark will sneak up on a seal at the surface and ambush them.

1. Too be fair I was talking about mass shooters specifically 

2. True enough

I got that. But even with the "liberal" media, when journalists try to treat a mass shooting, a suicide, a domestic murder, or accidental death as being different, it allows the right to play a game of Whack A Mole, when access is what all those events have in common.

Like I said in a prior post, motive only matters in a case by case short term basis. Our flooded market and ease of access is the long term problem.

It is akin to when theist argue thermodynamics trying to treat each law as being separate when they are all related. All firearm injuries and deaths result from using them. Now I am not typing the following to you, but to anyone reading this.

It simply makes more sense to me to hold the CEOs responsible. I don't mean end all sales or manufacturing, but just that they should care more about where their products end up.

[Amarok]

No It's not a deterrence AT THAT POINT where the little monster is shooting at people. At that point -- having the fastest response possible with deadly force is the best response -- and this is the tactic that a majority of police agencies are now employing.

But they have to travel to get there.

The teachers are already there. And THEY CAN BE TRAINED. Perfect? No. Better in my opinion than cowering and waiting for minutes while the carnage ensues.

Where an armed teacher IS a deterrent is before the shooting. A coward is more likely to attack if he knows all of his potential victims are unarmed. Cowards LOVE those " gun free" signs...

If a school has a policy of armed teachers, and the students know that some of the teachers are armed, and this is a deterrent before the shooting, why did your little monster jump out and start shooting in the first place?  Why wasn't he deterred?

Boru

Because most mass shooters don't care if they die. I also point out some people who have been stopped from mass shooting or have written stuff before their rampage . An armed opposition is part of their sick fantasy.

[Brian37]

I don't see how firearms should be the only industry that gets a pass. If I own a restaurant, and my customers are constantly getting food poisoning I cant argue, "Sucks to be you, nobody told you to buy my food." Boeing, " Yea you trusted us to fly you, but what are you going to do, shit happens".

If I made or sold firearms, considering that they are not toys, I'd do everything within my power to insure whomever I sell them to legally, even if they have no record, that they are not going to get stupid or be dangerous.

Just like if I owned a restaurant, I wouldn't say to my cook, " Fuck it, I don't care if it is raw, just sell it, I need money."

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3 events, in my life, looking back at them now, made me realize I should never have a firearm.

1. My drunk dad who legally bought his firearms, and had no criminal record, shot his 38 with me in the room.

2. As a teen, in that same townhouse basement, shot a 22 rifle at close range, at a tea kettle cylinder, one of those tall ones with a dispenser nozzles at the bottom. I had put two phone books in, and saw the damage it caused. It pierced the metal and went through both phone books putting a dent in the back of the kettle.

3. My attempt at making it into the Air Force. I washed out and not because of the physical aspect of it, but the mental aspect of not being able to handle being yelled at from 5:30am to 10pm every night. But with the firearms, we took a day to target shoot at different distances. I failed miserably.

But most importantly I suffer from anxiety and depression. Now while I would not hurt someone else. I do think about all the bad days I had as a teen and in my early twenties, and how easy it would have been to call it quits.

Some people should not have firearms, and I am not ashamed to say I am one of them.

[The Grand Nudger]

An SRO is a sworn and commissioned law enforcement officer, Biker.

BFD.

A swearing in ceremony means little if you' re swearing in a minimum wage moron.

Will underpaid teachers be more effective than underpaid law enforcement officers?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

BFD.

A swearing in ceremony means little if you' re swearing in a minimum wage moron.

Will underpaid teachers be more effective than underpaid law enforcement officers?

And how many good teachers will refuse to be party to making things worse?

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not too worried about them.  It's the ones that volunteer that you have to keep an eye on, lol.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm not too worried about them.  It's the ones that volunteer that you have to keep an eye on, lol.

I'M worried about them. We have so few.

[Brian37]

Will underpaid teachers be more effective than underpaid law enforcement officers?

And how many good teachers will refuse to be party to making things worse?

Which still misses the point that an underpaid workforce, regardless of job, are going to have more social problems and be subject to more social problems than if greedy assholes didn't fuck them over.

The cure is not more firearms. The cure is livable wages in every zip code, urban, suburban and rural.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And how many good teachers will refuse to be party to making things worse?

Which still misses the point that an underpaid workforce, regardless of job, are going to have more social problems and be subject to more social problems than if greedy assholes didn't fuck them over.

The cure is not more firearms. The cure is livable wages in every zip code, urban, suburban and rural.

I'm not missing the fucking point, you maniac, I'm asking a related question.