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[onlinebiker]

A security system isn't of much use when some maniac is beating down your front door with an axe - with the intent of dismembering you.


But a gun would sure be handy.

I agree.  I live in perpetual fear of maniac-induced axe-dismemberment.

BTW, aren't you the one who told Quill that she was worrying about the wrong thing over her concerns of being shot by a cop?

Boru

She is.

She is much more likely to get shot by a civilian than a cop.

You got a point?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I agree.  I live in perpetual fear of maniac-induced axe-dismemberment.

BTW, aren't you the one who told Quill that she was worrying about the wrong thing over her concerns of being shot by a cop?

Boru

She is.

She is much more likely to get shot by a civilian than a cop.

You got a point?

Yes.  That you're much more likely to get shot by a cop than you are to be threatened by an axe-wielding maniac intent on dismembering you.  Maybe you're the one that worrying about the wrong thing.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Here's Johnny!!!!" syndrome?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Fair point.  If only Shelley Duvall had had a gun handy, she could have killed Jack Nicholson instead of being killed herself.

Oh, wait - Shelley Duvall isn't dead.  My bad.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If they'd had a gun there the kid would have been the first casualty.

[Brian37]

She is.

She is much more likely to get shot by a civilian than a cop.

You got a point?

Yes.  That you're much more likely to get shot by a cop than you are to be threatened by an axe-wielding maniac intent on dismembering you.  Maybe you're the one that worrying about the wrong thing.

Boru

 That side has bought a load of crap. Stranger on stranger interactions with firearms are rare compared to injury and death from the user and or someone the user is familiar with.

And it is a lie that only criminals get them. Most injuries and deaths start from a legal purchase. And this shooter also legally purchased his firearms.

No record at time of buy does not prevent the buyer from injuring or killing themselves or someone else after a legal buy.

But if anyone wants to argue cops shooting people, maybe if we don't want cops defaulting to shoot first, it might be beneficial for society to care both about cops and society by demanding the firearm corporations and shops to give a shit about where their products end up, rather than simply think "no record" constitutes "never will."

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I just heard some Va official stupidly say, "Lets not have a knee jerk reaction" , and all I could think was, "How many times does shit like this have to happen before we do the right thing?

[onlinebiker]

Fair point.  If only Shelley Duvall had had a gun handy, she could have killed Jack Nicholson instead of being killed herself.

Oh, wait - Shelley Duvall isn't dead.  My bad.

Boru

My first rule of debate - when they start comparing reality to movies - there' s no point continuing...

[arewethereyet]

She is.

She is much more likely to get shot by a civilian than a cop.

You got a point?

Yes.  That you're much more likely to get shot by a cop than you are to be threatened by an axe-wielding maniac intent on dismembering you.  Maybe you're the one that worrying about the wrong thing.

Boru

You are more likely to be shot by a cop during an encounter.  Cops (in the US) nearly always have a loaded gun close at hand.  The rest of the population does not.  So, from that angle the argument makes sense.

You are more likely to encounter 'not a cop' in going about your daily business then you are having an encounter with a cop.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Fair point.  If only Shelley Duvall had had a gun handy, she could have killed Jack Nicholson instead of being killed herself.

Oh, wait - Shelley Duvall isn't dead.  My bad.

Boru

My first rule of debate - when they start comparing reality to movies - there' s no point continuing...

LOL

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Yes.  That you're much more likely to get shot by a cop than you are to be threatened by an axe-wielding maniac intent on dismembering you.  Maybe you're the one that worrying about the wrong thing.

Boru

You are more likely to be shot by a cop during an encounter.  Cops (in the US) nearly always have a loaded gun close at hand.  The rest of the population does not.  So, from that angle the argument makes sense.

You are more likely to encounter 'not a cop' in going about your daily business then you are having an encounter with a cop.

In the US we have a 1/110,000,000 chance of being killed by a cop on any given day. That's all causes.

[Brian37]

Yes.  That you're much more likely to get shot by a cop than you are to be threatened by an axe-wielding maniac intent on dismembering you.  Maybe you're the one that worrying about the wrong thing.

Boru

You are more likely to be shot by a cop during an encounter.  Cops (in the US) nearly always have a loaded gun close at hand.  The rest of the population does not.  So, from that angle the argument makes sense.

You are more likely to encounter 'not a cop' in going about your daily business then you are having an encounter with a cop.

This is true.

But my point is, if we want less firearm violence, and we don't want cops to fear blacks, or white rural people to fear cops(government tyranny), I think the better option to make both cops and society safer, is to stop letting one industry pit the races and zip codes and cops all against each other.


The corporations who make firearms love the mistrust between races and cops. More fear, more violence more firearm sales. And this is literally true. Gun sales spike after events like this. 

But while one does not run into police every day, police should not have to fear getting shot at every traffic stop and blacks should not have to fear dying during an interaction. It still remains on average, that blacks are at more risk of injury or death when interacting with police than whites.

Our climate of mistrust and fear is due to the marketing of the corporations just like car companies shit their pants when Nader told them they had a problem. Just like Big Tobacco sold fear to maintain it's profits. Just like big Oil still today sells fear of change and regulations to maintain it's profits.

If we want blacks and whites and cops all to get along and not fear each other, and we all want less violence, then just like two parents who's child is pitting one against the other, all zip codes, urban, suburban and rural need to recognize the real enemy, greed.