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Why does there need to be a God?
#21
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
Quote:The thought of humans thinking we are so special is fucking absurd to me.

But we are indeed 'so special'.  It's not some sort of vain conceit, it's a simple, observable fact. 

We are the only species that:

-Makes our environment unlivable.

-Kills off appreciable numbers of our own species.

-Crowds together in such densities that the crowding itself is unhealthy.

-Destroys so much of our resources that gathering more of these resources poisons us, the environment and the resources themselves.

-Deliberately migrates to habitats that are so unfriendly that we have to invest enormous resources and energy simply to survive.

And dozens of other adorable little habits that makes uniquely special. 

So, yes - we are so special.  So special that it's fucking terrifying.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#22
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
Humans are not special ... I am special! Smile
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#23
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
(July 7, 2019 at 3:44 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: But why does there needs to be mythology or should I say myths? Because people in the past were bored and the only pastime was telling each other stories, especially stories from guests and strangers. And when the person that was telling stories said how he met a mermaid, dragon, cyclops, elf, witch the story got more captivating. Especially when they were talking at night,  watching into the dark and shadows surrounding them. Which was then sucked into religous myths.

That reminds me of the of a famous hoax lover, Dan Aykroyd. In some of his movies like "Ghostbusters" he has a night ride scene in the car where he is talking to the guy he's driving with and they start reaching retarded conclusions about souls, aliens and whatnot. Similar scene is at the beginning in the 80s movie "Twilight Zone". In other words, Dan is someone who you would want to drive at night because he has tons of these ridiculous stories that would make a one fun ride.

So the next time someone tells you how people used to mingle and talk to each other instead of watching TV and playing video games, tell them how we have a flagrant heritage of those times because people just lied to each other's face.
You talk a lot to know so little about God and Religion. To know God read the Quran. The Quran is the Word of God.
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#24
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
Or some guy. 50/50.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#25
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
(July 8, 2019 at 1:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Or some guy. 50/50.

“The Koran is the word of god!”

“No the bible is!”

“No, heathen, my translation of the bible is!”

“You’re all wrong. My translation of the Koran is the word of god!”

Here we see the basis of so much suffering, ignorance, and hatred in the world.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#26
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
(July 8, 2019 at 11:23 am)Aegon Wrote: This is a great circlejerk. Good work, team.

It doesn’t help that we don’t have many theists around to participate...
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#27
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
(July 4, 2019 at 1:18 am)Brian37 Wrote: This question is not aimed at atheists. I have long since accepted that there is no meaning to all this in cosmic time. 

I cannot for the life of me swallow any concept of a super hero who has ultimate control over my life. It makes sense when you are a child that someone needs to guide you. But as an adult it is absurd, that even then, you need to be told not to murder or rape or steal. 

I've seen plenty of acts of compassion and cooperation in other life outside our species. I've seen plenty of acts of cruelty too in other species. 

I am tired of life being attributed to the claims of antiquity. I cant do shit about my mother dying. I hated watching her take her last breath. But I also know that other species mourn and fear like I did that moment. Elephants are a prime example of relatives caring about their young and their dead. 

I am tired of humans thinking we are special. "I am not special" does not mean I am evil, or I want to die. It just means I accept there is no magic as to why I am here. 

When one studies enough of human history worldwide, you learn that there is enough cruelty to go around. When you study enough worldwide you also learn that there is enough compassion and empathy also.

Recently I tried to save a couple of baby birds who'd either fallen out of their nest, or had been pushed out of the nest by siblings or the parents themselves.  I cannot imagine  a perfect being, a perfect babysitter, or pet sitter, who could stop such torture, but did not. 

There is no reason for such. Saying that something has no reason other than being random, does not mean you are advocating cruelty or harm. It merely means to mitigate it, to reduce the occurrence, you study and observe it, then work to reduce it. Bad  happens, and will always will and everyone dies eventually. I simply hate that far too much of my species wants superstition, fictional god/s and placebos to problem solve.

I'd rather die in reality than to pin my hopes on fictional utopias that will never happen. Life is too short to live in fantasy.

The question seems to be whether life signifying something, or is it just sound and fury signifying nothing?

I think you take the latter view, while I take the former.

I don’t take the former because it needs to signify something, but rather I perceive it as such. As much as I can acknowledge the sense of purposelessness, the cruelty, and suffering of it all, I must also acknowledge its paradox, of joy, love, hope, and beauty. That within our perceptions of a broken humanity, is a whole one, than with our perception of evil, lays the perception of good.

There seems to be some underlying tune to it all, which I can’t deny hearing, anymore so than I can deny seeing the sun.
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#28
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
(July 4, 2019 at 1:32 am)no one Wrote: Humans aren't really all that smart. But don't worry, what they lack in brainpower they make up for in arrogance.

So incredibly true!
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#29
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
Quote:The question seems to be whether life signifying something, or is it just sound and fury signifying nothing?
Nope 


Quote:I think you take the latter view, while I take the former.
Nope 


Quote:I don’t take the former because it needs to signify something, but rather I perceive it as such. As much as I can acknowledge the sense of purposelessness, the cruelty, and suffering of it all, I must also acknowledge its paradox, of joy, love, hope, and beauty. That within our perceptions of a broken humanity, is a whole one, than with our perception of evil, lays the perception of good.
You running on a a long line of false dichotomies 


Quote:There seems to be some underlying tune to it all, which I can’t deny hearing, anymore so than I can deny seeing the sun.
This sentence makes zero sense
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#30
RE: Why does there need to be a God?
(July 4, 2019 at 1:18 am)Brian37 Wrote: I'd rather die in reality than to pin my hopes on fictional utopias that will never happen. Life is too short to live in fantasy.

  I for one am glad I will have an eternal home that is perfect in every aspect, no need to worry about anything because all will be fine. as for why there needs to be a God, existence, without Him there would be no existence for us or this cosmos. 
  Now I have a question for you, what happens to you when you die, being an atheist? 

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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