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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 12:01 pm
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(July 18, 2019 at 11:50 am)Drich Wrote: how is it not a miracle first of all, or do you think the word can only mean God magic?
here's a few more definitions to expound your very narrow world view.
a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
"it was a miracle that more people hadn't been killed or injured"
an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
"a machine which was a miracle of design"
Uhm..... you do realize you're conflating how the meanings are different given the different contexts of the sentences/examples you are using?
That people attribute significance to statistical outlyers has always been the case.
I am now confused as to what you, Drich, think/believe a "Miracle" might be/is?
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 12:42 pm
(July 18, 2019 at 12:01 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(July 18, 2019 at 11:50 am)Drich Wrote: how is it not a miracle first of all, or do you think the word can only mean God magic?
here's a few more definitions to expound your very narrow world view.
a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
"it was a miracle that more people hadn't been killed or injured"
an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
"a machine which was a miracle of design"
Uhm..... you do realize you're conflating how the meanings are different given the different contexts of the sentences/examples you are using?
That people attribute significance to statistical outlyers has always been the case.
I am now confused as to what you, Drich, think/believe a "Miracle" might be/is? no.. what I am doing is showing you that God magic is not the only definition despite your perception.. which is why you see what I am doing is changing how the word is used. You need God to be magic and for miracles to be unexplainable God magic in order for your anti God arguments to work. So you try and correct me when I try and show you God is not a God of magic and mystery.
A miracle is simply the intervention of God in our everyday life, but again God does not have to use magic to do this... which is what you and the OP do not seem to understand. Common thing can be considered miraculous if we know this everyday thing would not have happened without Gods help.. because we know where our limits are and what the limits people put on us are.
Let look at the OP.. this woman may know she would not be able to afford or in any other way pay for this service, yet a miraculous chain of events took place to put here in front of people she would never have access too and also may understand that having her sibling in the data base of possible dna cross matches was rare as well. yet maybe for this person 100 long shots all came together using modern common every day technology to put these people back together.
yet all a small minded hater can see is modern tech working like it is supposed to. Completely oblivious to anything else simply because to this low minded person God magic is the only proper use of the word.
How do people like this pretend to think they are smarter than grateful people of faith?
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 12:44 pm
If gods miracles are as miraculous as a tennis shoe........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 12:49 pm
At work.
(July 18, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Drich Wrote: (July 18, 2019 at 12:01 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Uhm..... you do realize you're conflating how the meanings are different given the different contexts of the sentences/examples you are using?
That people attribute significance to statistical outlyers has always been the case.
I am now confused as to what you, Drich, think/believe a "Miracle" might be/is? no.. what I am doing is showing you that God magic is not the only definition despite your perception.. which is why you see what I am doing is changing how the word is used. You need God to be magic and for miracles to be unexplainable God magic in order for your anti God arguments to work. So you try and correct me when I try and show you God is not a God of magic and mystery.
A miracle is simply the intervention of God in our everyday life, but again God does not have to use magic to do this... which is what you and the OP do not seem to understand. Common thing can be considered miraculous if we know this everyday thing would not have happened without Gods help.. because we know where our limits are and what the limits people put on us are.
Let look at the OP.. this woman may know she would not be able to afford or in any other way pay for this service, yet a miraculous chain of events took place to put here in front of people she would never have access too and also may understand that having her sibling in the data base of possible dna cross matches was rare as well. yet maybe for this person 100 long shots all came together using modern common every day technology to put these people back together.
yet all a small minded hater can see is modern tech working like it is supposed to. Completely oblivious to anything else simply because to this low minded person God magic is the only proper use of the word.
How do people like this pretend to think they are smarter than grateful people of faith?
Uhm....... no?
So..... you want to redefine words to better suit your meanings/thoughts?
Won't that add to and create more confusion?
Shouldn't you instead/perhaps create new words for your meanings/thoughts and then others can grok their understanding?
Also, then, can you explain/expand/elucidate what you believe a 'Miracle' to be or consist of?
As for 'My' veiws on any dieties?
Sure if you want to have that conversation, that'd be great.
Cheers.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 1:00 pm
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(July 18, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Drich Wrote: (July 18, 2019 at 12:01 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Uhm..... you do realize you're conflating how the meanings are different given the different contexts of the sentences/examples you are using?
That people attribute significance to statistical outlyers has always been the case.
I am now confused as to what you, Drich, think/believe a "Miracle" might be/is? no.. what I am doing is showing you that God magic is not the only definition despite your perception.. which is why you see what I am doing is changing how the word is used. You need God to be magic and for miracles to be unexplainable God magic in order for your anti God arguments to work. So you try and correct me when I try and show you God is not a God of magic and mystery.
A miracle is simply the intervention of God in our everyday life, but again God does not have to use magic to do this... which is what you and the OP do not seem to understand. Common thing can be considered miraculous if we know this everyday thing would not have happened without Gods help.. because we know where our limits are and what the limits people put on us are.
Let look at the OP.. this woman may know she would not be able to afford or in any other way pay for this service, yet a miraculous chain of events took place to put here in front of people she would never have access too and also may understand that having her sibling in the data base of possible dna cross matches was rare as well. yet maybe for this person 100 long shots all came together using modern common every day technology to put these people back together.
yet all a small minded hater can see is modern tech working like it is supposed to. Completely oblivious to anything else simply because to this low minded person God magic is the only proper use of the word.
How do people like this pretend to think they are smarter than grateful people of faith?
Maybe I didn't go into enough detail in my first post, didn't feel the need. The woman was religious, she talked about how she had prayed for the day
that she would be reunited with her mother. The language that she used is the typical language used by believers when things go their way. In other words, thanking a fairytale character for the good things that happen to them, and forgetting to mention the people who had actually put in the hard work.
I wasn't trying to sound smart. I'm a long way from smart.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 1:08 pm
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 2:09 pm
@ Cod Just because she gave God credit doesn't mean she wasn't grateful to those involved. We weren't there and only know what was reported on the telly, which may/may not be the entire story (It normally isn't).
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 2:10 pm
(July 17, 2019 at 1:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I think another relevant question is “why does god need a starship?”
Cuz starships be bitchin'.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 18, 2019 at 2:12 pm
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(July 18, 2019 at 2:09 pm)tackattack Wrote: @Cod Just because she gave God credit doesn't mean she wasn't grateful to those involved. We weren't there and only know what was reported on the telly, which may/may not be the entire story (It normally isn't). Ofc it isn’t.... but it’s the part of the story she felt compared to share and/or the editors chose to include.
Pious theater. It plays well.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 19, 2019 at 4:12 am
(July 18, 2019 at 2:09 pm)tackattack Wrote: @Cod Just because she gave God credit doesn't mean she wasn't grateful to those involved. We weren't there and only know what was reported on the telly, which may/may not be the entire story (It normally isn't).
Why Give God any credit though. She had been searching for years with God only help and what happened, absolutely nothing. Why can't people understand that prayer helps nobody, belief helps nobody and thanking a God either directly or indirectly is just plain stupid.
Watch the programme. I would say that 50% of the people I've seen on it who are searching for family, are in that position because of one silly religion or another. Mothers forced to give up children because they were unmarried, or the family couldn't live with the shame. So someone who then thanks God for sorting out her situation needs a reality check.
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